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-11 1 point 2 hours ago last edited 2 hours ago compared to animals that is essentially what we as humans are No the disparity between a human and a God is infinitely more profound than the differences between animals and people Animals feel pain have memories and may not be able to rationalize or self-examine in the fashion that people can do but this is nowhere near the gulf between a human being and an omniscience and allmighty God What on earth are you talking about? I'm talking about how God may be a good means to understand ourselves in relationship to all the other animals on the planet The fact that you are sure of your definition of God is possible evidence that you're attached to a fixed obsolete conception of him This is the kind of viewpoint that would get you burned on the stake in centuries past and is by no means the standard canon of any Christian church barring maybe the UU Further Biblical fundamentalists do not consider God to be self-contradictory but rather ineffable meaning that it might seem self-contradictory to us but that's because we are limited by our frail human understanding and can't see motivations and reasons that are beyond us which keep 'His' actions perfectly consistent You're conflating believers of God with the concept of God itself If I came across as thinking I was somehow not at odds with the majority of Christian-Judeo thought let me clear that I am at odds with it and that's the point I sayI don't believe in God because I know reality from fantasy but I also value metaphysical ideas because I think that science and what can be perceived with the sense have limitations Ideas about a god or the universe as a kind of entity or kami help us transcend data which can easily not make sense or mislead without incredible effort sometimes most people aren't intelligent enough to decide the best thing to do I disagree with you here again most atheists are perfectly capable of being moral without the threat of hellfire and more religious people won't abandon their ethics simply because they lose faith This is why there isn't a rash of crimes committed by those identified as falling out of organized religion and committing crime sprees This is a really dubious statement considering that half the world's population technically has an IQ of 100 I don't claim that atheists can't be moral without God I claim that atheism is an inadequate framework for most people Isn't China the largest atheistic country? Let us ask how are they doing on the morality scale? And certainly theistic countries exist that have deplorable human rights track records but the argument could be made that the problem is more with who God might be to certain groups You have to realize that since God is an idea it is isn't fixed much less universally agreed on nor should it be and can be changed update our belief systems Again no we don't need a system of faith in order to live moral lives Most people without even the threat of policing haven zero qualms with not committing murder You already operate with a system of faith You can't live without an internal system of values that enables you to judge between things Religion is just a codification and exploration of values we already innately have or at least in theory it ought to be What people like you hate is the content of certain religions not religion itself Do you have a problem with zen buddhism? Most people don't And I'm not saying it's a perfect religion Just pointing out that religion can be useful and therefore good in most people's eyes I'm not sure what kind of atheist you aren't but without coming across as unnecessarily harsh you don't seem to be a particularly studied one Do you mind if I ask your age? These seem like the kind of arguments I might be tempted to make in my teens but further education makes them seem absolutely inane and the scientific corpus to steal your word disagrees with you at every turn I didn't say the scientific corpus I said the cultural one Religious texts the arts Science isn't culture For the sake of staying on topic I'm going to brush aside the ad-hominem comments Meme

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