America, Ass, and Children: Amy Renee Wasney
 Monday at 9:31 PM
 While watching A Christmas Carol tonight, my
 attention was caught by Bob Cratchit's salary. He
 makes "15 bob a week." I got curious and looked into
 inflation and conversion to American money, and if A
 Christmas Carol happened this year, Bob Cratchit
 would be making $27,574 per year in American money.
 If someone works 40 hours a week at the current
 federal minimum wage, they'll make $15,080.
 So Bob Cratchit, the epitome of poverty, makes
 $12,494 more than minimum wage workers (full time)
 each year.
 And yet we have people saying minimum wage is fine
 where it's at.
<p><a href="http://eruhamster.tumblr.com/post/169093714870/thetakubooty-libertarirynn-hst3000" class="tumblr_blog">eruhamster</a>:</p><blockquote>
<p><a href="http://thetakubooty.tumblr.com/post/169093033392/libertarirynn-hst3000-libertarirynn-this" class="tumblr_blog">thetakubooty</a>:</p>
<blockquote>
<p><a href="https://libertarirynn.tumblr.com/post/169092911679/hst3000-libertarirynn-this-is-a-total-load" class="tumblr_blog">libertarirynn</a>:</p>
<blockquote>
<p><a href="https://hst3000.tumblr.com/post/169092756302/libertarirynn-this-is-a-total-load-from-beginning" class="tumblr_blog">hst3000</a>:</p>

<blockquote>
<p><a href="https://libertarirynn.tumblr.com/post/169092461069/this-is-a-total-load-from-beginning-to-end-first" class="tumblr_blog">libertarirynn</a>:</p>
<blockquote><p>This is a total load from beginning to end. First off I’m curious where you did your research because mine showed that Cratchit made about $90 a week or $4,680 a year in today’s money. That’s not even close to your number. Secondly, if minimum wage is so necessary to prevent employers from exploiting their workers, then why don’t all companies pay minimum wage?</p></blockquote>
<p>A minor point on the conversion. Christmas Carol is far enough back that inflation calculations can get a bit hairy. Some things have been reduced in price dramatically due to automation and industrialization, while others have gotten way more expensive due to (funnily enough) rising labor costs. There’s about five different ways to calculate conversion, and none if them are broadly applicable to global statements.</p>
</blockquote>

<p>Oh definitely. Even in my calculations it wasn’t too clean-cut. Plus the modern English shilling is not the same as the shilling in 1843. I don’t want to sound like a cynic and suggest that this person just pulled a random number out of their ass without caring whether not it was accurate because they wanted to make a point but…</p>
</blockquote>
<p>what was their point?</p>
</blockquote>
<p>Their point was that Bob Cratchit made next to nothing working for Scrooge as it was, and if he got paid more than minimum wage workers today, then we have something very wrong with our society. Which isn’t necessarily wrong.</p>
<p>Also <a class="tumblelog" href="https://tmblr.co/mZHrjydhp9oUbxMGBDJA8rw">@libertarirynn</a> you’re really asking why minimum wage is necessary? Of course if everyone paid the same minimum wage, then they wouldn’t get people who cared about their jobs and it’d be harder to find skilled workers– both because existing skilled workers would rather work a minimum wage job where they could do less, and because no one would want to bother to learn trades and skills because they’ll get paid the same shit amount anyway. </p>
<p>Minimum wage is necessary to stop people from taking advantage of unskilled labor. Factory work and the like. Do you know what life was like for people before minimum wage was a thing? People were making so little that essentially all they did was work all day, and child labor was popular because the entire family needed to work to make ends meet– mother, father, and children. It was necessary to give people a better standard of living, along with abolishing child labor and making sure people did not end up working 12 hours a day 6, sometimes 7 days a week. Do you not know what Industrial Revolution America was like, before regulations? Child labor, people just asking to ONLY work 40 hours a week, extreme poverty, a lack of regulations that caused tragedies like the fire at the <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Triangle_Shirtwaist_Factory_fire">Triangle Shirtwaist Factory,</a> etc. </p>
<p>And before you ask why it’s necessary today now that we’ve long since gotten rid of things like child labor laws… It’s for all the people who lose their jobs or are single mothers and are forced to work multiple part time jobs in order to feed their children, because so many jobs that do not pay minimum wage today require so much experience and a degree. Maybe if employers were less selfish with hiring practices and gave more people jobs when they needed them and made it so only teenagers had to work minimum wage, we’d be alright. But that’s not how the world is.</p>
</blockquote>
<blockquote><p>Their point was that Bob Cratchit made next to nothing working for Scrooge as it was, and if he got paid more than minimum wage workers today, then we have something very wrong with our society. Which isn’t necessarily wrong.</p></blockquote>
Except that it is wrong, because as I just pointed out Bob Crachit was making much, much less than minimum wage.
<blockquote><p>Also @libertarirynn you’re really asking why minimum wage is necessary?</p></blockquote>
Yep. And if you haven’t heard me do it before you must be new here.
<blockquote>Of course if everyone paid the same minimum wage, then they wouldn’t get people who cared about their jobs and it’d be harder to find skilled workers– both because existing skilled workers would rather work a minimum wage job where they could do less, and because no one would want to bother to learn trades and skills because they’ll get paid the same shit amount anyway.</blockquote>
Wow I literally don’t know what to say. You pointed out the exact reasons the imposition of a minimum wage is unnecessary. Companies are naturally going to offer more if they think it will give them more skilled workers.
<blockquote><p>Minimum wage is necessary to stop people from taking advantage of unskilled labor. Factory work and the like. Do you know what life was like for people before minimum wage was a thing? People were making so little that essentially all they did was work all day, and child labor was popular because the entire family needed to work to make ends meet– mother, father, and children. It was necessary to give people a better standard of living, along with abolishing child labor and making sure people did not end up working 12 hours a day 6, sometimes 7 days a week. Do you not know what Industrial Revolution America was like, before regulations? Child labor, people just asking to ONLY work 40 hours a week, extreme poverty, a lack of regulations that caused tragedies like the fire at the Triangle Shirtwaist Factory, etc.</p></blockquote> Most of that has very little to do with minimum wage, nor is it particularly relevant in modernized industry. 
<blockquote><p>And before you ask why it’s necessary today now that we’ve long since gotten rid of things like child labor laws… It’s for all the people who lose their jobs or are single mothers and are forced to work multiple part time jobs in order to feed their children, because so many jobs that do not pay minimum wage today require so much experience and a degree. Maybe if employers were less selfish with hiring practices and gave more people jobs when they needed them and made it so only teenagers had to work minimum wage, we’d be alright. But that’s not how the world is.</p></blockquote>
We can’t just magically decide to skill is worth more money because of sob stories about single mothers. I know many a single mother who did things like go to night classes to earn a degree or even just learn particular skills to make themselves a valuable employee worth more than minimum wage. And again, most low skill jobs *do* pay above minimum wage, especially to valuable workers. I’ve only been paid minimum wage once in my life, and I’ve worked several low skill jobs. Do you know why this is? Because those jobs are dime a dozen. Wendy’s knows if they pay you just minimum wage and McDonald’s offers you a dollar more, you go work at McDonald’s. Companies being able to set their wages drives competition and therefore wages up. Skill is a commodity to be paid for just like anything else. Flipping burgers simply is not worth $15 an hour and emotional appeals involving child factory workers from 1928 will not change that. I encourage you to check my minimum wage tag for more in-depth information.
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eruhamster:

thetakubooty:

libertarirynn:

hst3000:

libertarirynn:

This is a total load from beginning to end. First off I’m curious where you did your research because mine showed that Cratchit made about $90 a week or $4,680 a year in today’s money. That’s not even close to your number. Secondly, if minimum wage is so necessary to prevent employers from exploiting their workers, then why don’t all companies pay minimum wage?

A minor point on the conversion. Christmas Carol is far enough back that inflation calculations can get a bit hairy. Some things have been reduced in price dramatically due to automation and industrialization, while others have gotten way more expensive due to (funnily enough) rising labor costs. There’s about five different ways to calculate conversion, and none if them are broadly applicable to global statements.

Oh definitely. Even in my calculations it wasn’t too clean-cut. Plus the modern English shilling is not the same as the shilling in 1843. I don’t want to sound like a cynic and suggest that this person just pulled a random number out of their ass without caring whether not it was accurate because they wanted to make a point but…

what was their point?

Their point was that Bob Cratchit made next to nothing working for Scrooge as it was, and if he got paid more than minimum wage workers today, then we have something very wrong with our society. Which isn’t necessarily wrong.

Also @libertarirynn you’re really asking why minimum wage is necessary? Of course if everyone paid the same minimum wage, then they wouldn’t get people who cared about their jobs and it’d be harder to find skilled workers– both because existing skilled workers would rather work a minimum wage job where they could do less, and because no one would want to bother to learn trades and skills because they’ll get paid the same shit amount anyway. 

Minimum wage is necessary to stop people from taking advantage of unskilled labor. Factory work and the like. Do you know what life was like for people before minimum wage was a thing? People were making so little that essentially all they did was work all day, and child labor was popular because the entire family needed to work to make ends meet– mother, father, and children. It was necessary to give people a better standard of living, along with abolishing child labor and making sure people did not end up working 12 hours a day 6, sometimes 7 days a week. Do you not know what Industrial Revolution America was like, before regulations? Child labor, people just asking to ONLY work 40 hours a week, extreme poverty, a lack of regulations that caused tragedies like the fire at the Triangle Shirtwaist Factory, etc. 

And before you ask why it’s necessary today now that we’ve long since gotten rid of things like child labor laws… It’s for all the people who lose their jobs or are single mothers and are forced to work multiple part time jobs in order to feed their children, because so many jobs that do not pay minimum wage today require so much experience and a degree. Maybe if employers were less selfish with hiring practices and gave more people jobs when they needed them and made it so only teenagers had to work minimum wage, we’d be alright. But that’s not how the world is.

Their point was that Bob Cratchit made next to nothing working for Scrooge as it was, and if he got paid more than minimum wage workers today, then we have something very wrong with our society. Which isn’t necessarily wrong.

Except that it is wrong, because as I just pointed out Bob Crachit was making much, much less than minimum wage.

Also @libertarirynn you’re really asking why minimum wage is necessary?

Yep. And if you haven’t heard me do it before you must be new here.
Of course if everyone paid the same minimum wage, then they wouldn’t get people who cared about their jobs and it’d be harder to find skilled workers– both because existing skilled workers would rather work a minimum wage job where they could do less, and because no one would want to bother to learn trades and skills because they’ll get paid the same shit amount anyway.
Wow I literally don’t know what to say. You pointed out the exact reasons the imposition of a minimum wage is unnecessary. Companies are naturally going to offer more if they think it will give them more skilled workers.

Minimum wage is necessary to stop people from taking advantage of unskilled labor. Factory work and the like. Do you know what life was like for people before minimum wage was a thing? People were making so little that essentially all they did was work all day, and child labor was popular because the entire family needed to work to make ends meet– mother, father, and children. It was necessary to give people a better standard of living, along with abolishing child labor and making sure people did not end up working 12 hours a day 6, sometimes 7 days a week. Do you not know what Industrial Revolution America was like, before regulations? Child labor, people just asking to ONLY work 40 hours a week, extreme poverty, a lack of regulations that caused tragedies like the fire at the Triangle Shirtwaist Factory, etc.

Most of that has very little to do with minimum wage, nor is it particularly relevant in modernized industry.

And before you ask why it’s necessary today now that we’ve long since gotten rid of things like child labor laws… It’s for all the people who lose their jobs or are single mothers and are forced to work multiple part time jobs in order to feed their children, because so many jobs that do not pay minimum wage today require so much experience and a degree. Maybe if employers were less selfish with hiring practices and gave more people jobs when they needed them and made it so only teenagers had to work minimum wage, we’d be alright. But that’s not how the world is.

We can’t just magically decide to skill is worth more money because of sob stories about single mothers. I know many a single mother who did things like go to night classes to earn a degree or even just learn particular skills to make themselves a valuable employee worth more than minimum wage. And again, most low skill jobs *do* pay above minimum wage, especially to valuable workers. I’ve only been paid minimum wage once in my life, and I’ve worked several low skill jobs. Do you know why this is? Because those jobs are dime a dozen. Wendy’s knows if they pay you just minimum wage and McDonald’s offers you a dollar more, you go work at McDonald’s. Companies being able to set their wages drives competition and therefore wages up. Skill is a commodity to be paid for just like anything else. Flipping burgers simply is not worth $15 an hour and emotional appeals involving child factory workers from 1928 will not change that. I encourage you to check my minimum wage tag for more in-depth information. @redbloodedamerica @libertybill @libertarian-lady

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Amy Renee Wasney Monday at 931 PM While watching A Christmas Carol tonight my attention was caught by Bob Cratchit's salary He makes 15 bob a week I got curious and looked into inflation and conversion to American money and if A Christmas Carol happened this year Bob Cratchit would be making $27574 per year in American money If someone works 40 hours a week at the current federal minimum wage they'll make $15080 So Bob Cratchit the epitome of poverty makes $12494 more than minimum wage workers full time each year And yet we have people saying minimum wage is fine where it's at <p><a href=httperuhamstertumblrcompost169093714870thetakubooty-libertarirynn-hst3000 class=tumblr_blog>eruhamster<a><p><blockquote> <p><a href=httpthetakubootytumblrcompost169093033392libertarirynn-hst3000-libertarirynn-this class=tumblr_blog>thetakubooty<a><p> <blockquote> <p><a href=httpslibertarirynntumblrcompost169092911679hst3000-libertarirynn-this-is-a-total-load class=tumblr_blog>libertarirynn<a><p> <blockquote> <p><a href=httpshst3000tumblrcompost169092756302libertarirynn-this-is-a-total-load-from-beginning class=tumblr_blog>hst3000<a><p> <blockquote> <p><a href=httpslibertarirynntumblrcompost169092461069this-is-a-total-load-from-beginning-to-end-first class=tumblr_blog>libertarirynn<a><p> <blockquote><p>This is a total load from beginning to end First off I’m curious where you did your research because mine showed that Cratchit made about $90 a week or $4680 a year in today’s money That’s not even close to your number Secondly if minimum wage is so necessary to prevent employers from exploiting their workers then why don’t all companies pay minimum wage?<p><blockquote> <p>A minor point on the conversion Christmas Carol is far enough back that inflation calculations can get a bit hairy Some things have been reduced in price dramatically due to automation and industrialization while others have gotten way more expensive due to funnily enough rising labor costs There’s about five different ways to calculate conversion and none if them are broadly applicable to global statements<p> <blockquote> <p>Oh definitely Even in my calculations it wasn’t too clean-cut Plus the modern English shilling is not the same as the shilling in 1843 I don’t want to sound like a cynic and suggest that this person just pulled a random number out of their ass without caring whether not it was accurate because they wanted to make a point but…<p> <blockquote> <p>what was their point?<p> <blockquote> <p>Their point was that Bob Cratchit made next to nothing working for Scrooge as it was and if he got paid more than minimum wage workers today then we have something very wrong with our society Which isn’t necessarily wrong<p> <p>Also <a class=tumblelog href=httpstmblrcomZHrjydhp9oUbxMGBDJA8rw>@libertarirynn<a> you’re really asking why minimum wage is necessary? Of course if everyone paid the same minimum wage then they wouldn’t get people who cared about their jobs and it’d be harder to find skilled workers– both because existing skilled workers would rather work a minimum wage job where they could do less and because no one would want to bother to learn trades and skills because they’ll get paid the same shit amount anyway <p> <p>Minimum wage is necessary to stop people from taking advantage of unskilled labor Factory work and the like Do you know what life was like for people before minimum wage was a thing? People were making so little that essentially all they did was work all day and child labor was popular because the entire family needed to work to make ends meet– mother father and children It was necessary to give people a better standard of living along with abolishing child labor and making sure people did not end up working 12 hours a day 6 sometimes 7 days a week Do you not know what Industrial Revolution America was like before regulations? Child labor people just asking to ONLY work 40 hours a week extreme poverty a lack of regulations that caused tragedies like the fire at the <a href=httpsenwikipediaorgwikiTriangle_Shirtwaist_Factory_fire>Triangle Shirtwaist Factory<a> etc <p> <p>And before you ask why it’s necessary today now that we’ve long since gotten rid of things like child labor laws… It’s for all the people who lose their jobs or are single mothers and are forced to work multiple part time jobs in order to feed their children because so many jobs that do not pay minimum wage today require so much experience and a degree Maybe if employers were less selfish with hiring practices and gave more people jobs when they needed them and made it so only teenagers had to work minimum wage we’d be alright But that’s not how the world is<p> <blockquote> <blockquote><p>Their point was that Bob Cratchit made next to nothing working for Scrooge as it was and if he got paid more than minimum wage workers today then we have something very wrong with our society Which isn’t necessarily wrong<p><blockquote> Except that it is wrong because as I just pointed out Bob Crachit was making much much less than minimum wage <blockquote><p>Also @libertarirynn you’re really asking why minimum wage is necessary?<p><blockquote> Yep And if you haven’t heard me do it before you must be new here <blockquote>Of course if everyone paid the same minimum wage then they wouldn’t get people who cared about their jobs and it’d be harder to find skilled workers– both because existing skilled workers would rather work a minimum wage job where they could do less and because no one would want to bother to learn trades and skills because they’ll get paid the same shit amount anyway<blockquote> Wow I literally don’t know what to say You pointed out the exact reasons the imposition of a minimum wage is unnecessary Companies are naturally going to offer more if they think it will give them more skilled workers <blockquote><p>Minimum wage is necessary to stop people from taking advantage of unskilled labor Factory work and the like Do you know what life was like for people before minimum wage was a thing? People were making so little that essentially all they did was work all day and child labor was popular because the entire family needed to work to make ends meet– mother father and children It was necessary to give people a better standard of living along with abolishing child labor and making sure people did not end up working 12 hours a day 6 sometimes 7 days a week Do you not know what Industrial Revolution America was like before regulations? Child labor people just asking to ONLY work 40 hours a week extreme poverty a lack of regulations that caused tragedies like the fire at the Triangle Shirtwaist Factory etc<p><blockquote> Most of that has very little to do with minimum wage nor is it particularly relevant in modernized industry <blockquote><p>And before you ask why it’s necessary today now that we’ve long since gotten rid of things like child labor laws… It’s for all the people who lose their jobs or are single mothers and are forced to work multiple part time jobs in order to feed their children because so many jobs that do not pay minimum wage today require so much experience and a degree Maybe if employers were less selfish with hiring practices and gave more people jobs when they needed them and made it so only teenagers had to work minimum wage we’d be alright But that’s not how the world is<p><blockquote> We can’t just magically decide to skill is worth more money because of sob stories about single mothers I know many a single mother who did things like go to night classes to earn a degree or even just learn particular skills to make themselves a valuable employee worth more than minimum wage And again most low skill jobs *do* pay above minimum wage especially to valuable workers I’ve only been paid minimum wage once in my life and I’ve worked several low skill jobs Do you know why this is? Because those jobs are dime a dozen Wendy’s knows if they pay you just minimum wage and McDonald’s offers you a dollar more you go work at McDonald’s Companies being able to set their wages drives competition and therefore wages up Skill is a commodity to be paid for just like anything else Flipping burgers simply is not worth $15 an hour and emotional appeals involving child factory workers from 1928 will not change that I encourage you to check my minimum wage tag for more in-depth information <a href=httpstmblrcomhaiNKeZ_RViwScgQtvf7CQ>@redbloodedamerica<a> <a href=httpstmblrcomIiX85InXZ_5gFO1XlH6zKA>@libertybill<a> <a href=httpstmblrcom5-xacQqloOb-oZ4F4dhAIA>@libertarian-lady<a> Meme

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