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 the party
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 encourage
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numbers
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choices
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small
 small
thugs
 thugs
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 flaws
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field
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dont
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gets
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much
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want
 want
know
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hard
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die
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through
through
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liability
liability
rather
rather
wonky
wonky
experienced
experienced
players
players
idealistic
idealistic
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bandit
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nobody
their
their
same
same
customization
customization
worrying
worrying
have fun
have fun
gameplay
gameplay
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sucks
falling
falling
mention
mention
roleplay
roleplay
nonsensical
nonsensical
might
might
everyone
everyone
because
because
then
then
anything
anything
min
min
just
just
perfect
perfect
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find
people
people
always
always
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interesting
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feel
sure
sure
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like
more
more
civil
civil
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fine
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puzzles
for
for
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dungeons
what
what
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build
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optimization
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system
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make
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move
them
them
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int
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personality
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beyond
open
open
may
may
options
options
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making a
comparison
comparison
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basic
challenge
challenge
play
play
force
force
one
one
raw
raw
can
can
character
character
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lots
creation
creation
tune
tune
blow
blow
war
war
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rest
rest
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random
wizard
wizard
fun
fun
monsters
monsters
super
super
nerf
nerf
how
how
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Reason
Mind
Mind
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Enemies
Dragons
Dragons
Strong
Strong
Powerful
Powerful
Dungeons and Dragons
Dungeons and Dragons
DnD
DnD
Mean
Mean
Marvel
Marvel
Limited
Limited
How To
How To
Help
Help
Good
Good
Game
Game
Civil War
Civil War
The Game
The Game
Party
Party
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gimp
Dumb
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Optimizing and min-maxing is perfectly fine The game is more fun when your character is good at what they do and you shouldn't expect people to gimp themselves just to *not* be as powerful as they could be for some dumb idealistic reason Sure suboptimal choices like making a Wizard with 8 Int or a Small character with a Greatsword might make for some interesting flavor but they should have some plan in mind for covering their flaws to not just be a liability to the party Having a strong and optimal character doesn't mean his personality and roleplay can't be interesting you don't have to force it artificially by making a wonky and nonsensical build Optimizers ruin the game for everyone else They're too good at what they do how is any non-minmaxed build supposed to not be outshined by them? Newer players don't know how to minmax it's unfair to have them play with minmaxers and always feel weak in comparison Not to mention it's hard to build challenging encoun- ters for super-strong characters! They have too many options and can blow through anything CR-appropriate and if I throw harder monsters at them then the rest of the party will die or not have fun just so the minmaxer can have a challenge for once People should consider everyone else before making their character so strong Having lots of options and being powerful is generally much more fun than constantly being unable to do anything because your character sucks or falling into the same loop of I move I attack because your character has nothing else to contribute Especially in a barebones and limited system with few choices and customization options during character creation and few interesting options during gameplay like 5e being able to fine-tune your abilities and customize the perfect character you want while still being effective and powerful is an important part of the game and one that many people find just as fun as the sessions themselves Rather than force experienced players to nerf themselves to give the newbies a chance you should encourage the experienced players to help the newbies build equally powerful characters so everyone can have fun and be powerful and nobody gets gimped and you can throw harder and higher-CR monsters at the party without worrying about killing the weak characters Also challenge can go beyond raw numbers puzzles intelligent enemies and environmental dangers than a random encounter on an open field with a pack of nameless bandit thugs that the minmaxer blows through because they're basic mooks Playing the game effectively shouldn't be frowned upon are much more interesting MARVEL Dungeons and Dragons MAY 6 2016 Civil War Part 2 Optimization Meme

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