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Its that time of year again: Andrew Rannells @AndrewRannells I don't think any more people need to record Baby It's Cold Outside. I think we're good there teachingwithcoffee It's time to bring an end to the Rape Anthem Masquerading As Christmas Carol bigbutterandeggman Hi there! Former English nerd/teacher here Also a big fan of jazz of the 30s and 40s So. Here's the thing. Given a cursory glance and applying today's worldview to the song, yes, you're right, it absolutely *sounds* like a rape anthem. BUT! Let's look closer! "Hey what's in this drink" was a stock joke at the time, and the punchline was invariably that there's actually pretty much nothing in the drink, not even a significant amount of alcohol See, this woman is staying late, unchaperoned, at a dudes house. In the 1940's, that's the kind of thing Good Girls aren't supposed to do-and she wants people to think she's a good girl. The woman in the song says outright, multiple times, that what other people will think of her staying is what shes really concerned about "the neighbors might think" "my maiden aunt's mind is vicious," "there's bound to be talk tomorrow." But she's having a really good time, and she wants to stay, and so she is excusing her uncharacteristically bold behavior (either to the guy or to herself) by blaming it on the drink -unaware that the drink is actually really weak, maybe not even alcoholic at all. That's the joke That is the standard joke that's going on when a woman in media from the early-to-mid 20th century says "hey, what's in this drink?" It is not a joke about how she's drunk and about to be raped. It's a joke about how she's perfectly sober and about to have awesome consensual sex and use the drink for plausible deniability because she's living in a society where women aren't supposed to have sexual agency Basically, the song only makes sense in the context of a society in which women are expected to reject mens advances whether they actually want to or not, and therefore it's normal and expected for a lady's gentleman companion to pressure her despite her protests, because he knows she would have to say that whether or not she meant it, and if she really wants to stay she won't be able to justify doing so unless he offers her an excuse other than "I'm staying because I want to." (That's the main theme of the man's lines in the song, suggesting excuses she can use when people ask later why she spent the night at his house: it was so cold out, there were no cabs available, he simply insisted because he was concerned about my safety in such awful weather, it was perfectly innocent and definitely not about sex at all!) In this particular case, he's pretty clearly right, because the woman has a voice, and she's using it to give all the culturally-understood signals that she actually does want to stay but can't say so She states explicitly that she's resisting because shes supposed to, not because she wants to: "I ought to say no no no..." She states explicitly that she's just putting up a token resistance so she'll be able to claim later that she did whats expected of a decent woman in this situation: "at least I'm gonna say that I tried." And at the end of the song they're singing together, in harmony, because they're both on the same page and they have been all along So it's not actually a song about rape in fact it's a song about a woman finding a way to exercise sexual agency in a patriarchal society designed to stop her from doing so. But it's also, at the same time, one of the best illustrations of rape culture that pop culture has ever produced. It's a song about a society where women aren't allowed to say yes..which happens to mean it's also a society where women don't have a clear and unambiguous way to say no Source: matchingvnecks #baby it's cold outside #not about rape #so tired of having to explain this on 238,267 notes Dec 3rd, 2016 Its that time of year again
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<p><a href="http://eruhamster.tumblr.com/post/169093714870/thetakubooty-libertarirynn-hst3000" class="tumblr_blog">eruhamster</a>:</p><blockquote> <p><a href="http://thetakubooty.tumblr.com/post/169093033392/libertarirynn-hst3000-libertarirynn-this" class="tumblr_blog">thetakubooty</a>:</p> <blockquote> <p><a href="https://libertarirynn.tumblr.com/post/169092911679/hst3000-libertarirynn-this-is-a-total-load" class="tumblr_blog">libertarirynn</a>:</p> <blockquote> <p><a href="https://hst3000.tumblr.com/post/169092756302/libertarirynn-this-is-a-total-load-from-beginning" class="tumblr_blog">hst3000</a>:</p> <blockquote> <p><a href="https://libertarirynn.tumblr.com/post/169092461069/this-is-a-total-load-from-beginning-to-end-first" class="tumblr_blog">libertarirynn</a>:</p> <blockquote><p>This is a total load from beginning to end. First off I’m curious where you did your research because mine showed that Cratchit made about $90 a week or $4,680 a year in today’s money. That’s not even close to your number. Secondly, if minimum wage is so necessary to prevent employers from exploiting their workers, then why don’t all companies pay minimum wage?</p></blockquote> <p>A minor point on the conversion. Christmas Carol is far enough back that inflation calculations can get a bit hairy. Some things have been reduced in price dramatically due to automation and industrialization, while others have gotten way more expensive due to (funnily enough) rising labor costs. There’s about five different ways to calculate conversion, and none if them are broadly applicable to global statements.</p> </blockquote> <p>Oh definitely. Even in my calculations it wasn’t too clean-cut. Plus the modern English shilling is not the same as the shilling in 1843. I don’t want to sound like a cynic and suggest that this person just pulled a random number out of their ass without caring whether not it was accurate because they wanted to make a point but…</p> </blockquote> <p>what was their point?</p> </blockquote> <p>Their point was that Bob Cratchit made next to nothing working for Scrooge as it was, and if he got paid more than minimum wage workers today, then we have something very wrong with our society. Which isn’t necessarily wrong.</p> <p>Also <a class="tumblelog" href="https://tmblr.co/mZHrjydhp9oUbxMGBDJA8rw">@libertarirynn</a> you’re really asking why minimum wage is necessary? Of course if everyone paid the same minimum wage, then they wouldn’t get people who cared about their jobs and it’d be harder to find skilled workers– both because existing skilled workers would rather work a minimum wage job where they could do less, and because no one would want to bother to learn trades and skills because they’ll get paid the same shit amount anyway. </p> <p>Minimum wage is necessary to stop people from taking advantage of unskilled labor. Factory work and the like. Do you know what life was like for people before minimum wage was a thing? People were making so little that essentially all they did was work all day, and child labor was popular because the entire family needed to work to make ends meet– mother, father, and children. It was necessary to give people a better standard of living, along with abolishing child labor and making sure people did not end up working 12 hours a day 6, sometimes 7 days a week. Do you not know what Industrial Revolution America was like, before regulations? Child labor, people just asking to ONLY work 40 hours a week, extreme poverty, a lack of regulations that caused tragedies like the fire at the <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Triangle_Shirtwaist_Factory_fire">Triangle Shirtwaist Factory,</a> etc. </p> <p>And before you ask why it’s necessary today now that we’ve long since gotten rid of things like child labor laws… It’s for all the people who lose their jobs or are single mothers and are forced to work multiple part time jobs in order to feed their children, because so many jobs that do not pay minimum wage today require so much experience and a degree. Maybe if employers were less selfish with hiring practices and gave more people jobs when they needed them and made it so only teenagers had to work minimum wage, we’d be alright. But that’s not how the world is.</p> </blockquote> <blockquote><p>Their point was that Bob Cratchit made next to nothing working for Scrooge as it was, and if he got paid more than minimum wage workers today, then we have something very wrong with our society. Which isn’t necessarily wrong.</p></blockquote> Except that it is wrong, because as I just pointed out Bob Crachit was making much, much less than minimum wage. <blockquote><p>Also @libertarirynn you’re really asking why minimum wage is necessary?</p></blockquote> Yep. And if you haven’t heard me do it before you must be new here. <blockquote>Of course if everyone paid the same minimum wage, then they wouldn’t get people who cared about their jobs and it’d be harder to find skilled workers– both because existing skilled workers would rather work a minimum wage job where they could do less, and because no one would want to bother to learn trades and skills because they’ll get paid the same shit amount anyway.</blockquote> Wow I literally don’t know what to say. You pointed out the exact reasons the imposition of a minimum wage is unnecessary. Companies are naturally going to offer more if they think it will give them more skilled workers. <blockquote><p>Minimum wage is necessary to stop people from taking advantage of unskilled labor. Factory work and the like. Do you know what life was like for people before minimum wage was a thing? People were making so little that essentially all they did was work all day, and child labor was popular because the entire family needed to work to make ends meet– mother, father, and children. It was necessary to give people a better standard of living, along with abolishing child labor and making sure people did not end up working 12 hours a day 6, sometimes 7 days a week. Do you not know what Industrial Revolution America was like, before regulations? Child labor, people just asking to ONLY work 40 hours a week, extreme poverty, a lack of regulations that caused tragedies like the fire at the Triangle Shirtwaist Factory, etc.</p></blockquote> Most of that has very little to do with minimum wage, nor is it particularly relevant in modernized industry. <blockquote><p>And before you ask why it’s necessary today now that we’ve long since gotten rid of things like child labor laws… It’s for all the people who lose their jobs or are single mothers and are forced to work multiple part time jobs in order to feed their children, because so many jobs that do not pay minimum wage today require so much experience and a degree. Maybe if employers were less selfish with hiring practices and gave more people jobs when they needed them and made it so only teenagers had to work minimum wage, we’d be alright. But that’s not how the world is.</p></blockquote> We can’t just magically decide to skill is worth more money because of sob stories about single mothers. I know many a single mother who did things like go to night classes to earn a degree or even just learn particular skills to make themselves a valuable employee worth more than minimum wage. And again, most low skill jobs *do* pay above minimum wage, especially to valuable workers. I’ve only been paid minimum wage once in my life, and I’ve worked several low skill jobs. Do you know why this is? Because those jobs are dime a dozen. Wendy’s knows if they pay you just minimum wage and McDonald’s offers you a dollar more, you go work at McDonald’s. Companies being able to set their wages drives competition and therefore wages up. Skill is a commodity to be paid for just like anything else. Flipping burgers simply is not worth $15 an hour and emotional appeals involving child factory workers from 1928 will not change that. I encourage you to check my minimum wage tag for more in-depth information. <a href="https://tmblr.co/mhaiNKeZ_RViwScgQtvf7CQ">@redbloodedamerica</a> <a href="https://tmblr.co/mIiX85InXZ_5gFO1XlH6zKA">@libertybill</a> <a href="https://tmblr.co/m5-xacQqloOb-oZ4F4dhAIA">@libertarian-lady</a>: Amy Renee Wasney Monday at 9:31 PM While watching A Christmas Carol tonight, my attention was caught by Bob Cratchit's salary. He makes "15 bob a week." I got curious and looked into inflation and conversion to American money, and if A Christmas Carol happened this year, Bob Cratchit would be making $27,574 per year in American money. If someone works 40 hours a week at the current federal minimum wage, they'll make $15,080. So Bob Cratchit, the epitome of poverty, makes $12,494 more than minimum wage workers (full time) each year. And yet we have people saying minimum wage is fine where it's at. <p><a href="http://eruhamster.tumblr.com/post/169093714870/thetakubooty-libertarirynn-hst3000" class="tumblr_blog">eruhamster</a>:</p><blockquote> <p><a href="http://thetakubooty.tumblr.com/post/169093033392/libertarirynn-hst3000-libertarirynn-this" class="tumblr_blog">thetakubooty</a>:</p> <blockquote> <p><a href="https://libertarirynn.tumblr.com/post/169092911679/hst3000-libertarirynn-this-is-a-total-load" class="tumblr_blog">libertarirynn</a>:</p> <blockquote> <p><a href="https://hst3000.tumblr.com/post/169092756302/libertarirynn-this-is-a-total-load-from-beginning" class="tumblr_blog">hst3000</a>:</p> <blockquote> <p><a href="https://libertarirynn.tumblr.com/post/169092461069/this-is-a-total-load-from-beginning-to-end-first" class="tumblr_blog">libertarirynn</a>:</p> <blockquote><p>This is a total load from beginning to end. First off I’m curious where you did your research because mine showed that Cratchit made about $90 a week or $4,680 a year in today’s money. That’s not even close to your number. Secondly, if minimum wage is so necessary to prevent employers from exploiting their workers, then why don’t all companies pay minimum wage?</p></blockquote> <p>A minor point on the conversion. Christmas Carol is far enough back that inflation calculations can get a bit hairy. Some things have been reduced in price dramatically due to automation and industrialization, while others have gotten way more expensive due to (funnily enough) rising labor costs. There’s about five different ways to calculate conversion, and none if them are broadly applicable to global statements.</p> </blockquote> <p>Oh definitely. Even in my calculations it wasn’t too clean-cut. Plus the modern English shilling is not the same as the shilling in 1843. I don’t want to sound like a cynic and suggest that this person just pulled a random number out of their ass without caring whether not it was accurate because they wanted to make a point but…</p> </blockquote> <p>what was their point?</p> </blockquote> <p>Their point was that Bob Cratchit made next to nothing working for Scrooge as it was, and if he got paid more than minimum wage workers today, then we have something very wrong with our society. Which isn’t necessarily wrong.</p> <p>Also <a class="tumblelog" href="https://tmblr.co/mZHrjydhp9oUbxMGBDJA8rw">@libertarirynn</a> you’re really asking why minimum wage is necessary? Of course if everyone paid the same minimum wage, then they wouldn’t get people who cared about their jobs and it’d be harder to find skilled workers– both because existing skilled workers would rather work a minimum wage job where they could do less, and because no one would want to bother to learn trades and skills because they’ll get paid the same shit amount anyway. </p> <p>Minimum wage is necessary to stop people from taking advantage of unskilled labor. Factory work and the like. Do you know what life was like for people before minimum wage was a thing? People were making so little that essentially all they did was work all day, and child labor was popular because the entire family needed to work to make ends meet– mother, father, and children. It was necessary to give people a better standard of living, along with abolishing child labor and making sure people did not end up working 12 hours a day 6, sometimes 7 days a week. Do you not know what Industrial Revolution America was like, before regulations? Child labor, people just asking to ONLY work 40 hours a week, extreme poverty, a lack of regulations that caused tragedies like the fire at the <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Triangle_Shirtwaist_Factory_fire">Triangle Shirtwaist Factory,</a> etc. </p> <p>And before you ask why it’s necessary today now that we’ve long since gotten rid of things like child labor laws… It’s for all the people who lose their jobs or are single mothers and are forced to work multiple part time jobs in order to feed their children, because so many jobs that do not pay minimum wage today require so much experience and a degree. Maybe if employers were less selfish with hiring practices and gave more people jobs when they needed them and made it so only teenagers had to work minimum wage, we’d be alright. But that’s not how the world is.</p> </blockquote> <blockquote><p>Their point was that Bob Cratchit made next to nothing working for Scrooge as it was, and if he got paid more than minimum wage workers today, then we have something very wrong with our society. Which isn’t necessarily wrong.</p></blockquote> Except that it is wrong, because as I just pointed out Bob Crachit was making much, much less than minimum wage. <blockquote><p>Also @libertarirynn you’re really asking why minimum wage is necessary?</p></blockquote> Yep. And if you haven’t heard me do it before you must be new here. <blockquote>Of course if everyone paid the same minimum wage, then they wouldn’t get people who cared about their jobs and it’d be harder to find skilled workers– both because existing skilled workers would rather work a minimum wage job where they could do less, and because no one would want to bother to learn trades and skills because they’ll get paid the same shit amount anyway.</blockquote> Wow I literally don’t know what to say. You pointed out the exact reasons the imposition of a minimum wage is unnecessary. Companies are naturally going to offer more if they think it will give them more skilled workers. <blockquote><p>Minimum wage is necessary to stop people from taking advantage of unskilled labor. Factory work and the like. Do you know what life was like for people before minimum wage was a thing? People were making so little that essentially all they did was work all day, and child labor was popular because the entire family needed to work to make ends meet– mother, father, and children. It was necessary to give people a better standard of living, along with abolishing child labor and making sure people did not end up working 12 hours a day 6, sometimes 7 days a week. Do you not know what Industrial Revolution America was like, before regulations? Child labor, people just asking to ONLY work 40 hours a week, extreme poverty, a lack of regulations that caused tragedies like the fire at the Triangle Shirtwaist Factory, etc.</p></blockquote> Most of that has very little to do with minimum wage, nor is it particularly relevant in modernized industry. <blockquote><p>And before you ask why it’s necessary today now that we’ve long since gotten rid of things like child labor laws… It’s for all the people who lose their jobs or are single mothers and are forced to work multiple part time jobs in order to feed their children, because so many jobs that do not pay minimum wage today require so much experience and a degree. Maybe if employers were less selfish with hiring practices and gave more people jobs when they needed them and made it so only teenagers had to work minimum wage, we’d be alright. But that’s not how the world is.</p></blockquote> We can’t just magically decide to skill is worth more money because of sob stories about single mothers. I know many a single mother who did things like go to night classes to earn a degree or even just learn particular skills to make themselves a valuable employee worth more than minimum wage. And again, most low skill jobs *do* pay above minimum wage, especially to valuable workers. I’ve only been paid minimum wage once in my life, and I’ve worked several low skill jobs. Do you know why this is? Because those jobs are dime a dozen. Wendy’s knows if they pay you just minimum wage and McDonald’s offers you a dollar more, you go work at McDonald’s. Companies being able to set their wages drives competition and therefore wages up. Skill is a commodity to be paid for just like anything else. Flipping burgers simply is not worth $15 an hour and emotional appeals involving child factory workers from 1928 will not change that. I encourage you to check my minimum wage tag for more in-depth information. <a href="https://tmblr.co/mhaiNKeZ_RViwScgQtvf7CQ">@redbloodedamerica</a> <a href="https://tmblr.co/mIiX85InXZ_5gFO1XlH6zKA">@libertybill</a> <a href="https://tmblr.co/m5-xacQqloOb-oZ4F4dhAIA">@libertarian-lady</a>
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<p><a href="https://hst3000.tumblr.com/post/169092756302/libertarirynn-this-is-a-total-load-from-beginning" class="tumblr_blog">hst3000</a>:</p> <blockquote><p><a href="https://libertarirynn.tumblr.com/post/169092461069/this-is-a-total-load-from-beginning-to-end-first" class="tumblr_blog">libertarirynn</a>:</p><blockquote><p>This is a total load from beginning to end. First off I’m curious where you did your research because mine showed that Cratchit made about $90 a week or $4,680 a year in today’s money. That’s not even close to your number. Secondly, if minimum wage is so necessary to prevent employers from exploiting their workers, then why don’t all companies pay minimum wage?</p></blockquote> <p>A minor point on the conversion. Christmas Carol is far enough back that inflation calculations can get a bit hairy. Some things have been reduced in price dramatically due to automation and industrialization, while others have gotten way more expensive due to (funnily enough) rising labor costs. There’s about five different ways to calculate conversion, and none if them are broadly applicable to global statements.</p></blockquote> <p>Oh definitely. Even in my calculations it wasn’t too clean-cut. Plus the modern English shilling is not the same as the shilling in 1843. I don’t want to sound like a cynic and suggest that this person just pulled a random number out of their ass without caring whether not it was accurate because they wanted to make a point but…</p>: Amy Renee Wasney Monday at 9:31 PM While watching A Christmas Carol tonight, my attention was caught by Bob Cratchit's salary. He makes "15 bob a week." I got curious and looked into inflation and conversion to American money, and if A Christmas Carol happened this year, Bob Cratchit would be making $27,574 per year in American money. If someone works 40 hours a week at the current federal minimum wage, they'll make $15,080. So Bob Cratchit, the epitome of poverty, makes $12,494 more than minimum wage workers (full time) each year. And yet we have people saying minimum wage is fine where it's at. <p><a href="https://hst3000.tumblr.com/post/169092756302/libertarirynn-this-is-a-total-load-from-beginning" class="tumblr_blog">hst3000</a>:</p> <blockquote><p><a href="https://libertarirynn.tumblr.com/post/169092461069/this-is-a-total-load-from-beginning-to-end-first" class="tumblr_blog">libertarirynn</a>:</p><blockquote><p>This is a total load from beginning to end. First off I’m curious where you did your research because mine showed that Cratchit made about $90 a week or $4,680 a year in today’s money. That’s not even close to your number. Secondly, if minimum wage is so necessary to prevent employers from exploiting their workers, then why don’t all companies pay minimum wage?</p></blockquote> <p>A minor point on the conversion. Christmas Carol is far enough back that inflation calculations can get a bit hairy. Some things have been reduced in price dramatically due to automation and industrialization, while others have gotten way more expensive due to (funnily enough) rising labor costs. There’s about five different ways to calculate conversion, and none if them are broadly applicable to global statements.</p></blockquote> <p>Oh definitely. Even in my calculations it wasn’t too clean-cut. Plus the modern English shilling is not the same as the shilling in 1843. I don’t want to sound like a cynic and suggest that this person just pulled a random number out of their ass without caring whether not it was accurate because they wanted to make a point but…</p>
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<p>This is a total load from beginning to end. First off I’m curious where you did your research because mine showed that Cratchit made about $90 a week or $4,680 a year in today’s money. That’s not even close to your number. Secondly, if minimum wage is so necessary to prevent employers from exploiting their workers, then why don’t all companies pay minimum wage?</p>: Amy Renee Wasney Monday at 9:31 PM While watching A Christmas Carol tonight, my attention was caught by Bob Cratchit's salary. He makes "15 bob a week." I got curious and looked into inflation and conversion to American money, and if A Christmas Carol happened this year, Bob Cratchit would be making $27,574 per year in American money. If someone works 40 hours a week at the current federal minimum wage, they'll make $15,080. So Bob Cratchit, the epitome of poverty, makes $12,494 more than minimum wage workers (full time) each year. And yet we have people saying minimum wage is fine where it's at. <p>This is a total load from beginning to end. First off I’m curious where you did your research because mine showed that Cratchit made about $90 a week or $4,680 a year in today’s money. That’s not even close to your number. Secondly, if minimum wage is so necessary to prevent employers from exploiting their workers, then why don’t all companies pay minimum wage?</p>

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girlwholovesturtles: bigbutterandeggman: teachingwithcoffee: It’s time to bring an end to the Rape Anthem Masquerading As Christmas Carol Hi there! Former English nerd/teacher here. Also a big fan of jazz of the 30s and 40s.  So. Here’s the thing. Given a cursory glance and applying today’s worldview to the song, yes, you’re right, it absolutely *sounds* like a rape anthem.  BUT! Let’s look closer!  “Hey what’s in this drink” was a stock joke at the time, and the punchline was invariably that there’s actually pretty much nothing in the drink, not even a significant amount of alcohol. See, this woman is staying late, unchaperoned, at a dude’s house. In the 1940’s, that’s the kind of thing Good Girls aren’t supposed to do — and she wants people to think she’s a good girl. The woman in the song says outright, multiple times, that what other people will think of her staying is what she’s really concerned about: “the neighbors might think,” “my maiden aunt’s mind is vicious,” “there’s bound to be talk tomorrow.” But she’s having a really good time, and she wants to stay, and so she is excusing her uncharacteristically bold behavior (either to the guy or to herself) by blaming it on the drink — unaware that the drink is actually really weak, maybe not even alcoholic at all. That’s the joke. That is the standard joke that’s going on when a woman in media from the early-to-mid 20th century says “hey, what’s in this drink?” It is not a joke about how she’s drunk and about to be raped. It’s a joke about how she’s perfectly sober and about to have awesome consensual sex and use the drink for plausible deniability because she’s living in a society where women aren’t supposed to have sexual agency. Basically, the song only makes sense in the context of a society in which women are expected to reject men’s advances whether they actually want to or not, and therefore it’s normal and expected for a lady’s gentleman companion to pressure her despite her protests, because he knows she would have to say that whether or not she meant it, and if she really wants to stay she won’t be able to justify doing so unless he offers her an excuse other than “I’m staying because I want to.” (That’s the main theme of the man’s lines in the song, suggesting excuses she can use when people ask later why she spent the night at his house: it was so cold out, there were no cabs available, he simply insisted because he was concerned about my safety in such awful weather, it was perfectly innocent and definitely not about sex at all!) In this particular case, he’s pretty clearly right, because the woman has a voice, and she’s using it to give all the culturally-understood signals that she actually does want to stay but can’t say so. She states explicitly that she’s resisting because she’s supposed to, not because she wants to: “I ought to say no no no…” She states explicitly that she’s just putting up a token resistance so she’ll be able to claim later that she did what’s expected of a decent woman in this situation: “at least I’m gonna say that I tried.” And at the end of the song they’re singing together, in harmony, because they’re both on the same page and they have been all along. So it’s not actually a song about rape - in fact it’s a song about a woman finding a way to exercise sexual agency in a patriarchal society designed to stop her from doing so. But it’s also, at the same time, one of the best illustrations of rape culture that pop culture has ever produced. It’s a song about a society where women aren’t allowed to say yes…which happens to mean it’s also a society where women don’t have a clear and unambiguous way to say no. I will never get tired of people actually paying attention to the actual meaning of this song.: Andrew Rannells @AndrewRannells I don't think any more people need to record Baby It's Cold Outside. I think we're good there girlwholovesturtles: bigbutterandeggman: teachingwithcoffee: It’s time to bring an end to the Rape Anthem Masquerading As Christmas Carol Hi there! Former English nerd/teacher here. Also a big fan of jazz of the 30s and 40s.  So. Here’s the thing. Given a cursory glance and applying today’s worldview to the song, yes, you’re right, it absolutely *sounds* like a rape anthem.  BUT! Let’s look closer!  “Hey what’s in this drink” was a stock joke at the time, and the punchline was invariably that there’s actually pretty much nothing in the drink, not even a significant amount of alcohol. See, this woman is staying late, unchaperoned, at a dude’s house. In the 1940’s, that’s the kind of thing Good Girls aren’t supposed to do — and she wants people to think she’s a good girl. The woman in the song says outright, multiple times, that what other people will think of her staying is what she’s really concerned about: “the neighbors might think,” “my maiden aunt’s mind is vicious,” “there’s bound to be talk tomorrow.” But she’s having a really good time, and she wants to stay, and so she is excusing her uncharacteristically bold behavior (either to the guy or to herself) by blaming it on the drink — unaware that the drink is actually really weak, maybe not even alcoholic at all. That’s the joke. That is the standard joke that’s going on when a woman in media from the early-to-mid 20th century says “hey, what’s in this drink?” It is not a joke about how she’s drunk and about to be raped. It’s a joke about how she’s perfectly sober and about to have awesome consensual sex and use the drink for plausible deniability because she’s living in a society where women aren’t supposed to have sexual agency. Basically, the song only makes sense in the context of a society in which women are expected to reject men’s advances whether they actually want to or not, and therefore it’s normal and expected for a lady’s gentleman companion to pressure her despite her protests, because he knows she would have to say that whether or not she meant it, and if she really wants to stay she won’t be able to justify doing so unless he offers her an excuse other than “I’m staying because I want to.” (That’s the main theme of the man’s lines in the song, suggesting excuses she can use when people ask later why she spent the night at his house: it was so cold out, there were no cabs available, he simply insisted because he was concerned about my safety in such awful weather, it was perfectly innocent and definitely not about sex at all!) In this particular case, he’s pretty clearly right, because the woman has a voice, and she’s using it to give all the culturally-understood signals that she actually does want to stay but can’t say so. She states explicitly that she’s resisting because she’s supposed to, not because she wants to: “I ought to say no no no…” She states explicitly that she’s just putting up a token resistance so she’ll be able to claim later that she did what’s expected of a decent woman in this situation: “at least I’m gonna say that I tried.” And at the end of the song they’re singing together, in harmony, because they’re both on the same page and they have been all along. So it’s not actually a song about rape - in fact it’s a song about a woman finding a way to exercise sexual agency in a patriarchal society designed to stop her from doing so. But it’s also, at the same time, one of the best illustrations of rape culture that pop culture has ever produced. It’s a song about a society where women aren’t allowed to say yes…which happens to mean it’s also a society where women don’t have a clear and unambiguous way to say no. I will never get tired of people actually paying attention to the actual meaning of this song.
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@Regrann from @theankhlife - A Christmas carol service in the Sri Lankan capital of Colombo has accidentally printed out the lyrics to late rapper Tupac Shakur’s ‘Hail Mary’ in its programme instead of the 15th century Catholic prayer. The mix-up occurred at the 2016 Catholic Joy to the World Festival at the city's Nelum Pokuna Theatre during one of Sri Lanka's largest Christmas celebrations earlier this month. Instead of finding the words "Hail Mary, full of grace, the Lord is with thee" the carol singers were invited to reflect on the 1997 song’s themes of mortality, violence and sex and whether they wanted to "ride or die." l Some of the lyrics probably inappropriate for a Catholic service include: "I ain’t a killer, but don’t push me-Revenge is like the sweetest joy next to gettin’ p****" and "...Mama told me never stop until I bust a nut-"F*** the world if they can’t adjust, it’s just as well, Hail Mary."@Dagenius_Jay33 Dagenius_Jay33 ( •_•) ∫\ \____( •_•) _∫∫ _∫∫ɯ \ \ dageniuscomedy jay funny reblog retweet follow follow followme followers follower nyc newyork queensnyc nycqueens nycbrooklyn followhim lmao comment comments commentbelow popular instagood iphonesia nyc instamood picoftheday bestoftheday: Christmas service accidentally prints words to Tupac's "Hail Mary' instead of carol HAIL MARY Makaveli in this. Killuminati, all through your body The blow's like a twelve gauge shotty Uhh, feel me! And God said he should send his one son en To lead the wild into the crys of the man Follow me, cat my med and my fiesh [Chorus] Come with me, Hail Mary Run quick see, what do we have here Now, do you want to ride or die La dadada, la la la la l ain't a killer but don't push me Revenge is like the sweetest joy next togettin Picture paragraphs unloaded, wisc wordsbein quoted Peeped the weakness int he rap game and sewed it Bow down, pray to God hoping that heslistenin comin for me, to my diamonds, when they Seein' glisten in Now pay attention, rest in peace father I'm a ghost in these killin' fields @Regrann from @theankhlife - A Christmas carol service in the Sri Lankan capital of Colombo has accidentally printed out the lyrics to late rapper Tupac Shakur’s ‘Hail Mary’ in its programme instead of the 15th century Catholic prayer. The mix-up occurred at the 2016 Catholic Joy to the World Festival at the city's Nelum Pokuna Theatre during one of Sri Lanka's largest Christmas celebrations earlier this month. Instead of finding the words "Hail Mary, full of grace, the Lord is with thee" the carol singers were invited to reflect on the 1997 song’s themes of mortality, violence and sex and whether they wanted to "ride or die." l Some of the lyrics probably inappropriate for a Catholic service include: "I ain’t a killer, but don’t push me-Revenge is like the sweetest joy next to gettin’ p****" and "...Mama told me never stop until I bust a nut-"F*** the world if they can’t adjust, it’s just as well, Hail Mary."@Dagenius_Jay33 Dagenius_Jay33 ( •_•) ∫\ \____( •_•) _∫∫ _∫∫ɯ \ \ dageniuscomedy jay funny reblog retweet follow follow followme followers follower nyc newyork queensnyc nycqueens nycbrooklyn followhim lmao comment comments commentbelow popular instagood iphonesia nyc instamood picoftheday bestoftheday

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Well if this isn't a Christmas miracle... 😂😂😂😂😭😭😭😭 guess they should've been more "pacific" when they searched the lyrics 😭😭😭 whoopsie Praise and Worship was lit HailMary shepost♻♻: Ravindu Thimantha G alam Ravindu A Christmas Carol service in Sri Lanka has accidentally printed the lyrics of Tupac's Hail Mary, instead of the prayer HAIL MARY Makaveli in this... Killuminati, all through your body The blow's like a twelve gauge shotty Uhh, feel me! And God said he should send his one begotten son To lead the wild into the ways of the man A Fund-raiser for Poverty Alleviation Projects Follow me, eat my f desh and my flesh s jointly organised by the Archaiocese of Colombo & St. Joseph Voz Trust [Choru Come with me, Hail Mary Run quick see, what do we have here Now, do you want to ride or die La dadada, la la la la A Festival of Music for Peace & Harmony I ain't a killer but don't push me at he Nelum Pokuna, Colombo 07. Revenge is like the sweetest joy next to gettin pussy On Sunday, December 11th 2016 Picture paragraphs unloaded, wise words bein quoted at 7.00 p, m. l Print Media Partier Peeped the weakness int he rap game and sewed it Silver Spoosors latinum Sponsors 2 TIMES Bow down, pray to God hoping that hes listenin Brware Sponsors Well if this isn't a Christmas miracle... 😂😂😂😂😭😭😭😭 guess they should've been more "pacific" when they searched the lyrics 😭😭😭 whoopsie Praise and Worship was lit HailMary shepost♻♻
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Merry Christmas Eve Gothamites! Looking for the perfect modern Batman tale to read in honor of the holiday? Then Lee Bermejo's one shot graphic novel 'Batman: Noël' is the one for you! Written and illustrated by Bermejo with interior art by Barbara Ciardo (colors) and Todd Klein (letters), the late 2011 story mixes Batman lore and elements from Charles Dickens' "A Christmas Carol". Taking place during Christmas in Gotham City, Batman tracks down a struggling worker wrapped up in a Joker scheme named Bob Cratchit. With no intel, Batman lets him go but places a tracker on him. While in the Batcave coughing from an apparent cold, Bruce watches Bob and his son Tim in their home with a surveillance camera, wanting to arrest him now. But his butler Alfred reminds him having his son involved can lead to drastic consequences, as he experienced with the late Jason Todd (represented by Jacob Marley). Then, Batman responds to the sudden Bat-Signal, where Commissioner Gordon tells Batman that Catwoman (the Ghost of Christmas Past) has information about the Joker, but demands that she only talks to Batman. Confronting Catwoman, Batman discovers that she was lying and they reminisce about old times together. After their encounter, Batman is confronted by Superman (the Ghost of Christmas Present), who after using his x-ray vision on Batman, discovers he is coming down with pneumonia, but Batman ignores his concern. Returning to his Batmobile, the vehicle explodes and knocks out the Caped Crusader. The Joker (the Ghost of Christmas Future) arrives and drags Batman's body to the Gotham cemetery and buries him alive. While buried, Batman suffers visions of Gotham in chaos after his death and reflects on his own grim black and white view of the world since Jason Todd passed. Digging himself free, Batman saves Bob and Tim from Joker. Temped to kill Joker, Batman talks Bob out of it to be a good representation for his son. Refusing to kill him and the Joker arrested, Bruce Wayne gives Bob a raise and a better Christmas Tree. In the end the narrator reveals himself to be Bob, asking his son Tim the moral of the story. We'll have more Batman Christmas stories tomorrow so stay tuned!: 78 . Merry Christmas Eve Gothamites! Looking for the perfect modern Batman tale to read in honor of the holiday? Then Lee Bermejo's one shot graphic novel 'Batman: Noël' is the one for you! Written and illustrated by Bermejo with interior art by Barbara Ciardo (colors) and Todd Klein (letters), the late 2011 story mixes Batman lore and elements from Charles Dickens' "A Christmas Carol". Taking place during Christmas in Gotham City, Batman tracks down a struggling worker wrapped up in a Joker scheme named Bob Cratchit. With no intel, Batman lets him go but places a tracker on him. While in the Batcave coughing from an apparent cold, Bruce watches Bob and his son Tim in their home with a surveillance camera, wanting to arrest him now. But his butler Alfred reminds him having his son involved can lead to drastic consequences, as he experienced with the late Jason Todd (represented by Jacob Marley). Then, Batman responds to the sudden Bat-Signal, where Commissioner Gordon tells Batman that Catwoman (the Ghost of Christmas Past) has information about the Joker, but demands that she only talks to Batman. Confronting Catwoman, Batman discovers that she was lying and they reminisce about old times together. After their encounter, Batman is confronted by Superman (the Ghost of Christmas Present), who after using his x-ray vision on Batman, discovers he is coming down with pneumonia, but Batman ignores his concern. Returning to his Batmobile, the vehicle explodes and knocks out the Caped Crusader. The Joker (the Ghost of Christmas Future) arrives and drags Batman's body to the Gotham cemetery and buries him alive. While buried, Batman suffers visions of Gotham in chaos after his death and reflects on his own grim black and white view of the world since Jason Todd passed. Digging himself free, Batman saves Bob and Tim from Joker. Temped to kill Joker, Batman talks Bob out of it to be a good representation for his son. Refusing to kill him and the Joker arrested, Bruce Wayne gives Bob a raise and a better Christmas Tree. In the end the narrator reveals himself to be Bob, asking his son Tim the moral of the story. We'll have more Batman Christmas stories tomorrow so stay tuned!

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I'm on the bus arguing with some J Cole fans about Kendrick. Now the reason I don't like J Cole is because his fans are some of the most stubborn and annoying people. They the type to say you have to have a certain intelligence to listen to him but couldn't score higher than 800 on the SAT. It's a select few fans who know good music. The rest believe he's the savior of rap. I'm holding my own and they hitting me with shit from Wikipedia. It's about 4 of them. I'm trying to get my point across but they not listening. This is probably one of the most difficult music debates out. You can't go wrong with either one of them. Homie reciting J Cole verses like bible scripture and I'm hitting him with Kendrick greatest hits. This debate split down the middle when the leader of they group pulls out a tape recorder and starts playing she's mine part 2. Now part 1 is good but in part 2 that baby crying makes pulling out a little overrated. I swear to you every dude on the bus bursted into tears. Even the bus driver got emotional. This one of them tracks that make me feel like it's time to Settle down and start a family. It was a emotional bus ride. We all sitting down venting. I'm sitting here thinking in my head "look at these bitch ass niggas". Their stop comes up and they get off. One of them stays back before the bus pulls off and says "He went platinum with no features" and jumped off. The bus was still moving. Dude almost died trying to be dramatic. Them niggas went Christmas caroling singing J Cole songs. I stayed on the bus. I rode home bumping good kid mad city. I lost the batle that day on the Q5. That was the first time in a long time I felt like a bitch.: Trying to Argue with a J Cole fan. I'm on the bus arguing with some J Cole fans about Kendrick. Now the reason I don't like J Cole is because his fans are some of the most stubborn and annoying people. They the type to say you have to have a certain intelligence to listen to him but couldn't score higher than 800 on the SAT. It's a select few fans who know good music. The rest believe he's the savior of rap. I'm holding my own and they hitting me with shit from Wikipedia. It's about 4 of them. I'm trying to get my point across but they not listening. This is probably one of the most difficult music debates out. You can't go wrong with either one of them. Homie reciting J Cole verses like bible scripture and I'm hitting him with Kendrick greatest hits. This debate split down the middle when the leader of they group pulls out a tape recorder and starts playing she's mine part 2. Now part 1 is good but in part 2 that baby crying makes pulling out a little overrated. I swear to you every dude on the bus bursted into tears. Even the bus driver got emotional. This one of them tracks that make me feel like it's time to Settle down and start a family. It was a emotional bus ride. We all sitting down venting. I'm sitting here thinking in my head "look at these bitch ass niggas". Their stop comes up and they get off. One of them stays back before the bus pulls off and says "He went platinum with no features" and jumped off. The bus was still moving. Dude almost died trying to be dramatic. Them niggas went Christmas caroling singing J Cole songs. I stayed on the bus. I rode home bumping good kid mad city. I lost the batle that day on the Q5. That was the first time in a long time I felt like a bitch.
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