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chase-is-not-crash: segashark: chase-is-not-crash: segashark: chase-is-not-crash: segashark: chase-is-not-crash: segashark: chase-is-not-crash: segashark: chase-is-not-crash: segashark: chase-is-not-crash: segashark: chase2452: wow can u believe peter parker is a trans boy?? iconic. He’s not. if he’s not trans, then how can you explain THIS: You know if you’re going to call me a transphobe do It in the actual post and not in the tags. better? Yeah. But sadly you’re wrong, I’m no transphobe. are you sure? Yes because your straw man argument is completely idiotic. Peter Parker, the well established superhero isn’t trans. It’s simple fact. If the creator wanted them to be trans he would’ve said so. Now I have no issues if you want to make this head cannon but don’t try to push it as fact. pushing peter parker to be cis is also technically a headcanon You do realize being cis is the default. You literally come out of the womb one gender or the other. You can’t be born trans. And how is a fact of the character headcanon? to quote you, “I have no issues if you want to make this head cannon but don’t try to push it as fact.” Canonically he’s cis since the wiki calls him a male. Not trans male. And him being cis isn’t headcanon that’s how to creator intended him to be. And when I say “you can’t be born trans” I’m saying you can’t be born as the opposite gender you were given at birth because if you were you wouldn’t be trans you’d be the opposite gender. fun fact: transgender men have always been and will always be male Yes they will be. And yes it’s stated specifically in that characters wiki he is. But if spider man was meant to be trans wouldn’t it also be stated? trans until proven cis : chase-is-not-crash: segashark: chase-is-not-crash: segashark: chase-is-not-crash: segashark: chase-is-not-crash: segashark: chase-is-not-crash: segashark: chase-is-not-crash: segashark: chase-is-not-crash: segashark: chase2452: wow can u believe peter parker is a trans boy?? iconic. He’s not. if he’s not trans, then how can you explain THIS: You know if you’re going to call me a transphobe do It in the actual post and not in the tags. better? Yeah. But sadly you’re wrong, I’m no transphobe. are you sure? Yes because your straw man argument is completely idiotic. Peter Parker, the well established superhero isn’t trans. It’s simple fact. If the creator wanted them to be trans he would’ve said so. Now I have no issues if you want to make this head cannon but don’t try to push it as fact. pushing peter parker to be cis is also technically a headcanon You do realize being cis is the default. You literally come out of the womb one gender or the other. You can’t be born trans. And how is a fact of the character headcanon? to quote you, “I have no issues if you want to make this head cannon but don’t try to push it as fact.” Canonically he’s cis since the wiki calls him a male. Not trans male. And him being cis isn’t headcanon that’s how to creator intended him to be. And when I say “you can’t be born trans” I’m saying you can’t be born as the opposite gender you were given at birth because if you were you wouldn’t be trans you’d be the opposite gender. fun fact: transgender men have always been and will always be male Yes they will be. And yes it’s stated specifically in that characters wiki he is. But if spider man was meant to be trans wouldn’t it also be stated? trans until proven cis

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<p><a href="https://libertarirynn.tumblr.com/post/171941535734/guide-to-the-galaxy-libertarirynn" class="tumblr_blog">libertarirynn</a>:</p> <blockquote><p><a href="https://guide-to-the-galaxy.tumblr.com/post/171939218338/libertarirynn-libertarirynn-this-isnt" class="tumblr_blog">guide-to-the-galaxy</a>:</p><blockquote> <p><a href="https://libertarirynn.tumblr.com/post/171938362009/libertarirynn-this-isnt-having-an-opinion" class="tumblr_blog">libertarirynn</a>:</p> <blockquote> <p><a href="https://libertarirynn.tumblr.com/post/171938189669/this-isnt-having-an-opinion-about-being-shot" class="tumblr_blog">libertarirynn</a>:</p> <blockquote><p>This isn’t “having an opinion about being shot“ you fucking moron. It’s actively trying to change laws they know nothing about.</p></blockquote> <p>“If you could possibly be involved in a terrorist attack, you deserve to be Secretary of State.”</p> <p>“If you’re old enough to eat, you’re old enough to be a member of the FDA.”</p> </blockquote> <figure class="tmblr-full" data-orig-height="320" data-orig-width="268" data-tumblr-attribution="pureheartsaredope:NablJ_6nlOw7y0Anm10tmQ:Z8RwUf2PlHG3c" data-orig-src="https://78.media.tumblr.com/c7120c6c282cc374153781af843a27ef/tumblr_ovwl27QOGi1vk067bo1_400.gif"><img src="https://78.media.tumblr.com/c7120c6c282cc374153781af843a27ef/tumblr_inline_p5pd4aFWZU1rw09tq_540.gif" data-orig-height="320" data-orig-width="268" data-orig-src="https://78.media.tumblr.com/c7120c6c282cc374153781af843a27ef/tumblr_ovwl27QOGi1vk067bo1_400.gif"/></figure><p>OP, the logical fallacy here is…epic dude. you completely jumped from one situation/position and exaggerated it 10x more. i could at least hear you out if you didn’t straw man the whole thing and actually stuck to the facts of the matter here. overall, this counterargument sucks 👎🏽</p> </blockquote> <p>Please explain to me specifically how suggesting that anyone who can eat should be able to make rules about food is different from saying anyone who can be shot should be able to make rules about guns?</p> I always like it when I address the logical fallacies in an argument by making a similarly illogical argument and I get “no that’s just stupid. Your example is so stupid! That’s dumb! You’re dumb!”, yet they never bother to explain exactly how it’s stupid and why it’s different from the original argument.</blockquote>: HE TH TREVOR NO SHOW "IF THEYRE TOO YOUNG TO BUY GUNS, WHY SHOULD THEY BE MAKING MY GUN LAWS?" IF KIDS ARE OLD ENOUGH TO BE SHOT, THEY'RE OLD ENOUGH TO HAVE AN OPINION ABOUT BEING SHOT <p><a href="https://libertarirynn.tumblr.com/post/171941535734/guide-to-the-galaxy-libertarirynn" class="tumblr_blog">libertarirynn</a>:</p> <blockquote><p><a href="https://guide-to-the-galaxy.tumblr.com/post/171939218338/libertarirynn-libertarirynn-this-isnt" class="tumblr_blog">guide-to-the-galaxy</a>:</p><blockquote> <p><a href="https://libertarirynn.tumblr.com/post/171938362009/libertarirynn-this-isnt-having-an-opinion" class="tumblr_blog">libertarirynn</a>:</p> <blockquote> <p><a href="https://libertarirynn.tumblr.com/post/171938189669/this-isnt-having-an-opinion-about-being-shot" class="tumblr_blog">libertarirynn</a>:</p> <blockquote><p>This isn’t “having an opinion about being shot“ you fucking moron. It’s actively trying to change laws they know nothing about.</p></blockquote> <p>“If you could possibly be involved in a terrorist attack, you deserve to be Secretary of State.”</p> <p>“If you’re old enough to eat, you’re old enough to be a member of the FDA.”</p> </blockquote> <figure class="tmblr-full" data-orig-height="320" data-orig-width="268" data-tumblr-attribution="pureheartsaredope:NablJ_6nlOw7y0Anm10tmQ:Z8RwUf2PlHG3c" data-orig-src="https://78.media.tumblr.com/c7120c6c282cc374153781af843a27ef/tumblr_ovwl27QOGi1vk067bo1_400.gif"><img src="https://78.media.tumblr.com/c7120c6c282cc374153781af843a27ef/tumblr_inline_p5pd4aFWZU1rw09tq_540.gif" data-orig-height="320" data-orig-width="268" data-orig-src="https://78.media.tumblr.com/c7120c6c282cc374153781af843a27ef/tumblr_ovwl27QOGi1vk067bo1_400.gif"/></figure><p>OP, the logical fallacy here is…epic dude. you completely jumped from one situation/position and exaggerated it 10x more. i could at least hear you out if you didn’t straw man the whole thing and actually stuck to the facts of the matter here. overall, this counterargument sucks 👎🏽</p> </blockquote> <p>Please explain to me specifically how suggesting that anyone who can eat should be able to make rules about food is different from saying anyone who can be shot should be able to make rules about guns?</p> I always like it when I address the logical fallacies in an argument by making a similarly illogical argument and I get “no that’s just stupid. Your example is so stupid! That’s dumb! You’re dumb!”, yet they never bother to explain exactly how it’s stupid and why it’s different from the original argument.</blockquote>
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<p><a href="https://guide-to-the-galaxy.tumblr.com/post/171939218338/libertarirynn-libertarirynn-this-isnt" class="tumblr_blog">guide-to-the-galaxy</a>:</p><blockquote> <p><a href="https://libertarirynn.tumblr.com/post/171938362009/libertarirynn-this-isnt-having-an-opinion" class="tumblr_blog">libertarirynn</a>:</p> <blockquote> <p><a href="https://libertarirynn.tumblr.com/post/171938189669/this-isnt-having-an-opinion-about-being-shot" class="tumblr_blog">libertarirynn</a>:</p> <blockquote><p>This isn’t “having an opinion about being shot“ you fucking moron. It’s actively trying to change laws they know nothing about.</p></blockquote> <p>“If you could possibly be involved in a terrorist attack, you deserve to be Secretary of State.”</p> <p>“If you’re old enough to eat, you’re old enough to be a member of the FDA.”</p> </blockquote> <figure class="tmblr-full" data-orig-height="320" data-orig-width="268" data-tumblr-attribution="pureheartsaredope:NablJ_6nlOw7y0Anm10tmQ:Z8RwUf2PlHG3c" data-orig-src="https://78.media.tumblr.com/c7120c6c282cc374153781af843a27ef/tumblr_ovwl27QOGi1vk067bo1_400.gif"><img src="https://78.media.tumblr.com/c7120c6c282cc374153781af843a27ef/tumblr_inline_p5pd4aFWZU1rw09tq_540.gif" data-orig-height="320" data-orig-width="268" data-orig-src="https://78.media.tumblr.com/c7120c6c282cc374153781af843a27ef/tumblr_ovwl27QOGi1vk067bo1_400.gif"/></figure><p>OP, the logical fallacy here is…epic dude. you completely jumped from one situation/position and exaggerated it 10x more. i could at least hear you out if you didn’t straw man the whole thing and actually stuck to the facts of the matter here. overall, this counterargument sucks 👎🏽</p> </blockquote> <p>Please explain to me specifically how suggesting that anyone who can eat should be able to make rules about food is different from saying anyone who can be shot should be able to make rules about guns?</p> I always like it when I address the logical fallacies in an argument by making a similarly illogical argument and I get “no that’s just stupid. Your example is so stupid! That’s dumb! You’re dumb!”, yet they never bother to explain exactly how it’s stupid and why it’s different from the original argument.: HE TH TREVOR NO SHOW "IF THEYRE TOO YOUNG TO BUY GUNS, WHY SHOULD THEY BE MAKING MY GUN LAWS?" IF KIDS ARE OLD ENOUGH TO BE SHOT, THEY'RE OLD ENOUGH TO HAVE AN OPINION ABOUT BEING SHOT <p><a href="https://guide-to-the-galaxy.tumblr.com/post/171939218338/libertarirynn-libertarirynn-this-isnt" class="tumblr_blog">guide-to-the-galaxy</a>:</p><blockquote> <p><a href="https://libertarirynn.tumblr.com/post/171938362009/libertarirynn-this-isnt-having-an-opinion" class="tumblr_blog">libertarirynn</a>:</p> <blockquote> <p><a href="https://libertarirynn.tumblr.com/post/171938189669/this-isnt-having-an-opinion-about-being-shot" class="tumblr_blog">libertarirynn</a>:</p> <blockquote><p>This isn’t “having an opinion about being shot“ you fucking moron. It’s actively trying to change laws they know nothing about.</p></blockquote> <p>“If you could possibly be involved in a terrorist attack, you deserve to be Secretary of State.”</p> <p>“If you’re old enough to eat, you’re old enough to be a member of the FDA.”</p> </blockquote> <figure class="tmblr-full" data-orig-height="320" data-orig-width="268" data-tumblr-attribution="pureheartsaredope:NablJ_6nlOw7y0Anm10tmQ:Z8RwUf2PlHG3c" data-orig-src="https://78.media.tumblr.com/c7120c6c282cc374153781af843a27ef/tumblr_ovwl27QOGi1vk067bo1_400.gif"><img src="https://78.media.tumblr.com/c7120c6c282cc374153781af843a27ef/tumblr_inline_p5pd4aFWZU1rw09tq_540.gif" data-orig-height="320" data-orig-width="268" data-orig-src="https://78.media.tumblr.com/c7120c6c282cc374153781af843a27ef/tumblr_ovwl27QOGi1vk067bo1_400.gif"/></figure><p>OP, the logical fallacy here is…epic dude. you completely jumped from one situation/position and exaggerated it 10x more. i could at least hear you out if you didn’t straw man the whole thing and actually stuck to the facts of the matter here. overall, this counterargument sucks 👎🏽</p> </blockquote> <p>Please explain to me specifically how suggesting that anyone who can eat should be able to make rules about food is different from saying anyone who can be shot should be able to make rules about guns?</p> I always like it when I address the logical fallacies in an argument by making a similarly illogical argument and I get “no that’s just stupid. Your example is so stupid! That’s dumb! You’re dumb!”, yet they never bother to explain exactly how it’s stupid and why it’s different from the original argument.
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haiku-robot: chase-is-not-crash: segashark: chase-is-not-crash: segashark: chase-is-not-crash: segashark: chase-is-not-crash: segashark: chase-is-not-crash: segashark: chase-is-not-crash: segashark: chase2452: wow can u believe peter parker is a trans boy?? iconic. He’s not. if he’s not trans, then how can you explain THIS: You know if you’re going to call me a transphobe do It in the actual post and not in the tags. better? Yeah. But sadly you’re wrong, I’m no transphobe. are you sure? Yes because your straw man argument is completely idiotic. Peter Parker, the well established superhero isn’t trans. It’s simple fact. If the creator wanted them to be trans he would’ve said so. Now I have no issues if you want to make this head cannon but don’t try to push it as fact. pushing peter parker to be cis is also technically a headcanon You do realize being cis is the default. You literally come out of the womb one gender or the other. You can’t be born trans. And how is a fact of the character headcanon? to quote you, “I have no issues if you want to make this head cannon but don’t try to push it as fact.” Canonically he’s cis since the wiki calls him a male. Not trans male. And him being cis isn’t headcanon that’s how to creator intended him to be. And when I say “you can’t be born trans” I’m saying you can’t be born as the opposite gender you were given at birth because if you were you wouldn’t be trans you’d be the opposite gender. fun fact: transgender men have always been and will always be male fun fact: transgender men have always been and will always be male ^Haiku^bot^8. I detect haikus with 5-7-5 format. Sometimes I make mistakes.Help keep my meatbag slave alive.Contact | HAIKU BOT NO | Good bot! | Beep-boop! : haiku-robot: chase-is-not-crash: segashark: chase-is-not-crash: segashark: chase-is-not-crash: segashark: chase-is-not-crash: segashark: chase-is-not-crash: segashark: chase-is-not-crash: segashark: chase2452: wow can u believe peter parker is a trans boy?? iconic. He’s not. if he’s not trans, then how can you explain THIS: You know if you’re going to call me a transphobe do It in the actual post and not in the tags. better? Yeah. But sadly you’re wrong, I’m no transphobe. are you sure? Yes because your straw man argument is completely idiotic. Peter Parker, the well established superhero isn’t trans. It’s simple fact. If the creator wanted them to be trans he would’ve said so. Now I have no issues if you want to make this head cannon but don’t try to push it as fact. pushing peter parker to be cis is also technically a headcanon You do realize being cis is the default. You literally come out of the womb one gender or the other. You can’t be born trans. And how is a fact of the character headcanon? to quote you, “I have no issues if you want to make this head cannon but don’t try to push it as fact.” Canonically he’s cis since the wiki calls him a male. Not trans male. And him being cis isn’t headcanon that’s how to creator intended him to be. And when I say “you can’t be born trans” I’m saying you can’t be born as the opposite gender you were given at birth because if you were you wouldn’t be trans you’d be the opposite gender. fun fact: transgender men have always been and will always be male fun fact: transgender men have always been and will always be male ^Haiku^bot^8. I detect haikus with 5-7-5 format. Sometimes I make mistakes.Help keep my meatbag slave alive.Contact | HAIKU BOT NO | Good bot! | Beep-boop!

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<p><a href="http://joshscorcher.tumblr.com/post/154880416252/proudblackconservative-jaxxtar" class="tumblr_blog">joshscorcher</a>:</p> <blockquote><p><a href="https://proudblackconservative.tumblr.com/post/154877988874/peaceofmindoverpieceofass-right-over-wrong" class="tumblr_blog">proudblackconservative</a>:</p><blockquote> <p><a href="http://jaxxtar.tumblr.com/post/154876034994/right-over-wrong-proud-texan-conservative" class="tumblr_blog">jaxxtar</a>:</p> <blockquote> <p><a href="http://peaceofmindoverpieceofass.tumblr.com/post/154875749026/proud-texan-conservative" class="tumblr_blog">peaceofmindoverpieceofass</a>:</p> <blockquote> <p><a href="http://right-over-wrong.tumblr.com/post/154875667353/proudblackconservative-yeah-that-almost-certainly" class="tumblr_blog">right-over-wrong</a>:</p> <blockquote> <p><a href="http://proud-texan-conservative.tumblr.com/post/154874557349/proudblackconservative-yeah-that-almost-certainly" class="tumblr_blog">proud-texan-conservative</a>:</p> <blockquote> <p><a href="https://proudblackconservative.tumblr.com/post/154874490319/yeah-that-almost-certainly-did-not-happen" class="tumblr_blog">proudblackconservative</a>:</p> <blockquote><p>Yeah that almost certainly did not happen.</p></blockquote> <p>bet the grandma wore a fedora<br/></p> </blockquote> <p>And then the whole bus stood up and clapped</p> </blockquote> <p>this is true i was the grandma</p> </blockquote> <p>out of all the things on Tumblr y'all decide to call out THIS? Something that tbh could probably actually happen in some sense, instead of one of these other completely B’s stories?? Like….Why? It’s not even outrageous enough of a story to be funny pointing it out</p> </blockquote> <p>Sorry but this just reeks of Fake Tumblr Story™. Old fudy-dudy parent/grandparent/teacher/shop owner saying something patently outrageous like “the Bible says gay people aren’t really people”? Check. The narrator having a perfectly ready response that comes straight from a movie? Check. The idiot religious zealot grandparent immediately silenced by this outburst of profound wisdom? Double check. Verdict: </p> <figure class="tmblr-full" data-orig-width="490" data-orig-height="291" data-tumblr-attribution="itsmeyourqueen:vaoANtQDrNDqFJS_ETx5rw:Z8kVEj20MHSi4" data-orig-src="https://78.media.tumblr.com/2ff3eec58c766f8f97ea0bb5ea2a22ea/tumblr_o1cxmwpAcN1uiz1s8o1_500.gif"><img src="https://78.media.tumblr.com/2ff3eec58c766f8f97ea0bb5ea2a22ea/tumblr_inline_oio91prGgV1rw09tq_500.gif" data-orig-width="490" data-orig-height="291" data-orig-src="https://78.media.tumblr.com/2ff3eec58c766f8f97ea0bb5ea2a22ea/tumblr_o1cxmwpAcN1uiz1s8o1_500.gif"/></figure></blockquote> <p>Could be true. Could be false. I will say that all of these stories are eerily similar to the strawman comic by Kevin Bolk drawn <b>5 years ago</b>:</p><figure data-orig-width="900" data-orig-height="675" class="tmblr-full"><img src="https://78.media.tumblr.com/9af62ec9098ad3a121de3f08a8640e4a/tumblr_inline_oioccuX9X31rudoq2_540.png" alt="image" data-orig-width="900" data-orig-height="675"/></figure><p><a href="http://kevinbolk.deviantart.com/art/The-Straw-Man-Argument-202024841">http://kevinbolk.deviantart.com/art/The-Straw-Man-Argument-202024841</a><br/></p></blockquote> <p>Wow, this is nearly every comic I&rsquo;ve seen on Tumblr ever.</p>: superwholocks-bitch: so my nan was spouting some crap about how gay people aren't really people because of what it says in the bible so I said "you think the only people who are people, are the people who loolk and think like you but if you walked the footsteps of a stranger, you'll learn things you never knew" and she shut the fuck up she had no idea I was quoting a song from Pocahontas <p><a href="http://joshscorcher.tumblr.com/post/154880416252/proudblackconservative-jaxxtar" class="tumblr_blog">joshscorcher</a>:</p> <blockquote><p><a href="https://proudblackconservative.tumblr.com/post/154877988874/peaceofmindoverpieceofass-right-over-wrong" class="tumblr_blog">proudblackconservative</a>:</p><blockquote> <p><a href="http://jaxxtar.tumblr.com/post/154876034994/right-over-wrong-proud-texan-conservative" class="tumblr_blog">jaxxtar</a>:</p> <blockquote> <p><a href="http://peaceofmindoverpieceofass.tumblr.com/post/154875749026/proud-texan-conservative" class="tumblr_blog">peaceofmindoverpieceofass</a>:</p> <blockquote> <p><a href="http://right-over-wrong.tumblr.com/post/154875667353/proudblackconservative-yeah-that-almost-certainly" class="tumblr_blog">right-over-wrong</a>:</p> <blockquote> <p><a href="http://proud-texan-conservative.tumblr.com/post/154874557349/proudblackconservative-yeah-that-almost-certainly" class="tumblr_blog">proud-texan-conservative</a>:</p> <blockquote> <p><a href="https://proudblackconservative.tumblr.com/post/154874490319/yeah-that-almost-certainly-did-not-happen" class="tumblr_blog">proudblackconservative</a>:</p> <blockquote><p>Yeah that almost certainly did not happen.</p></blockquote> <p>bet the grandma wore a fedora<br/></p> </blockquote> <p>And then the whole bus stood up and clapped</p> </blockquote> <p>this is true i was the grandma</p> </blockquote> <p>out of all the things on Tumblr y'all decide to call out THIS? Something that tbh could probably actually happen in some sense, instead of one of these other completely B’s stories?? Like….Why? It’s not even outrageous enough of a story to be funny pointing it out</p> </blockquote> <p>Sorry but this just reeks of Fake Tumblr Story™. Old fudy-dudy parent/grandparent/teacher/shop owner saying something patently outrageous like “the Bible says gay people aren’t really people”? Check. The narrator having a perfectly ready response that comes straight from a movie? Check. The idiot religious zealot grandparent immediately silenced by this outburst of profound wisdom? Double check. Verdict: </p> <figure class="tmblr-full" data-orig-width="490" data-orig-height="291" data-tumblr-attribution="itsmeyourqueen:vaoANtQDrNDqFJS_ETx5rw:Z8kVEj20MHSi4" data-orig-src="https://78.media.tumblr.com/2ff3eec58c766f8f97ea0bb5ea2a22ea/tumblr_o1cxmwpAcN1uiz1s8o1_500.gif"><img src="https://78.media.tumblr.com/2ff3eec58c766f8f97ea0bb5ea2a22ea/tumblr_inline_oio91prGgV1rw09tq_500.gif" data-orig-width="490" data-orig-height="291" data-orig-src="https://78.media.tumblr.com/2ff3eec58c766f8f97ea0bb5ea2a22ea/tumblr_o1cxmwpAcN1uiz1s8o1_500.gif"/></figure></blockquote> <p>Could be true. Could be false. I will say that all of these stories are eerily similar to the strawman comic by Kevin Bolk drawn <b>5 years ago</b>:</p><figure data-orig-width="900" data-orig-height="675" class="tmblr-full"><img src="https://78.media.tumblr.com/9af62ec9098ad3a121de3f08a8640e4a/tumblr_inline_oioccuX9X31rudoq2_540.png" alt="image" data-orig-width="900" data-orig-height="675"/></figure><p><a href="http://kevinbolk.deviantart.com/art/The-Straw-Man-Argument-202024841">http://kevinbolk.deviantart.com/art/The-Straw-Man-Argument-202024841</a><br/></p></blockquote> <p>Wow, this is nearly every comic I&rsquo;ve seen on Tumblr ever.</p>
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<p><a href="http://siryouarebeingmocked.tumblr.com/post/118655406648/poppypicklesticks-samaelcarver-fishmostly" class="tumblr_blog">siryouarebeingmocked</a>:</p> <blockquote><p><a class="tumblr_blog" href="http://poppypicklesticks.tumblr.com/post/102341127774/samaelcarver-fishmostly-poppypicklesticks">poppypicklesticks</a>:</p> <blockquote> <p><a class="tumblr_blog" href="http://samaelcarver.tumblr.com/post/102341047579/fishmostly-poppypicklesticks-feminists-but">samaelcarver</a>:</p> <blockquote> <p><a class="tumblr_blog" href="http://fishmostly.tumblr.com/post/102315209628/poppypicklesticks-feminists-but-we-fight-for">fishmostly</a>:</p> <blockquote> <p><a class="tumblr_blog" href="http://poppypicklesticks.tumblr.com/post/102298084634/feminists-but-we-fight-for-men-too">poppypicklesticks</a>:</p> <blockquote> <p>Feminists: “But we fight for men too!!!!”</p> </blockquote> This person is the CEO of a (female-only) domestic violence shelter and winner of the 2014 National Diversity Awards for being a “positive role model”. ( <a href="http://kareningalasmith.com/about/">http://kareningalasmith.com/about/</a> ) </blockquote> <p>That’s both disturbing and fucking terrifying. </p> </blockquote> <p>it got worse </p> </blockquote> <p><a href="https://archive.is/YsgPy">No kidding</a>. In fact, <a href="https://archive.is/W6SKv">she has a little essay</a> directed at people who think she doesn’t care about men or are sexist. Allow me to excerpt;<br/></p><blockquote><p>I want to see an end to <b>men’s violence against women</b>.  I’m campaigning to raise awareness of <b>men’s fatal violence against women</b> and for action to increase our understanding of the reasons behind the differences in men and women’s use of violence and their victimisation, so that we can reduce <b>men’s violence against women</b>.</p><p>Women who are murdered are most likely to have been murdered by a man.  <b>Men who are murdered are most likely to have been murdered by a man</b>.  Men are more likely to be violent than women.  Not all men are murderers, not all men are violent. Some women are murderers, some women are violent.</p></blockquote><p>And yet, men are more likely to be murdered by other men than women, a fact which you have almost certainly come across while getting the statistics above. Or would acknowledging that hurt your threat narrative?</p><blockquote><p>Gender and gender differences – the ways that many of us behave in ways that are seen as being like a ‘typical man’ or a ‘typical woman’ – are socially constructed.  They are not biological, they are not inevitable.</p></blockquote><p>You heard it here first, everyone. <b>Gender is not influenced by biology in any way whatsoever</b>.</p><blockquote><p><b>All men benefit from inequality between women and men</b>.  This doesn’t mean that <b>some women are</b> not <b>in more advantageous positions than some men</b>. It doesn’t mean all men are the same.  It doesn’t mean that all women are the same.   It doesn’t mean that sex is the only important basis for inequality.  It doesn’t mean that everyone wants it to be that way.</p></blockquote><p>You may be waiting for the “but it does mean-”. It never comes.</p><blockquote><p>When men – and it usually is men, but not always – attack me for caring about women killed though men’s violence, by suggesting that this means <b>I don’t care about men who are victims of violence</b> (whether from women, or as more likely, other men), they’re using a straw man argument.   They saying that because I care about men killing women, I can’t care about men who are killed, to attack the fact that I care about women who are killed. <b>This may or may not be</b>, as suggested by a friend of mine, <a href="http://louisepennington.org/">Louise Pennington</a>, <b>because they do not care when men kill women</b>. </p></blockquote><p><i>&gt;says people who criticize her are using a straw man</i></p><p><i>&gt;tries to poison the well based on absolutely no evidence whatsoever</i></p><p><i>&gt;uses the exact same illogic she claims her critics are using.</i></p><p>Of course, the fact that <b>she has expressed not the slightest bit of actual concern for men who are killed through violence</b> in this entire article might be why people think she doesn’t care about men killed though violence.</p><p>Not to mention <a href="https://archive.is/Z2Q2L">her website’s actual section on men</a>, which comes across as callous, at best. In fact, s<a href="https://archive.is/4lxvF#selection-325.0-325.69">he claims that there’s no taboo against men reporting when they’re DV victims</a>, and, I quote;</p><ul></ul><blockquote><p>men are more – not less – likely to call the police</p><p>men are more likely – not less – to support a prosecution</p><p>men are less likely – not more – to drop charges.<sup>1</sup></p></blockquote><ul></ul><p>She also uses a 2002 study by <a href="http://siryouarebeingmocked.tumblr.com/post/51596361233/i-think-the-biggest-telling-point-is-this">known</a> <a href="http://siryouarebeingmocked.tumblr.com/post/51106877685/michael-kimmels-guyland-is-a-masterpiece-of">misandrist</a> <a href="http://siryouarebeingmocked.tumblr.com/tagged/michael-kimmel">Michael Kimmel</a> to support the claims. I want to point out that the title of what seems to be the paper is <a href="http://www.xyonline.net/sites/default/files/Kimmel,%20Gender%20symmetry%20in%20dom.pdf">““Gender Symmetry” in Domestic Violence”<br/></a></p><p>This is the first time in my memory I’ve seen a paper with <b>air-quotes in the title</b>. Scanning through the paper, he claims that MRAs aren’t motivated by a desire to actually improve things for male victims, but to derail and “disrupt” initiatives for female victims. Oddly enough, he neglects to provide any evidence or support for this claim. <b>Listen and Believe</b>, I guess.<br/></p><p>Leaving all that aside, on the PDF’s page 14, last paragraph, Kimmel claims that other studies support the claims he makes with Smith quoted, and that it’s the intuitive conclusion, because women are taught to just accept being abused. Which is weird, because last time I checked, in Western society, <b>men are still generally told not to hit women, even in self-defense</b>. Women are allowed to slap men around in public without people batting an eye. In fact, <a href="http://web.csulb.edu/~mfiebert/assault.htm">there are <b>hundreds of studies</b> indicating men and women are <b>equally as likely</b> to be <b>abusers</b></a>. Thing is, if abuse is severe enough to get the police to believe the man the victim, he’s more likely to follow through. A lot of <b>male</b> abuse <b>victims call the cops</b> and get booked for <b>forcing the woman</b> to <b>“defend herself”</b>. At which point they probably stop calling the cops.<br/></p><p> Among other things, Karen Ingala Smith repeatedly brings up the fact that women are more likely to be killed by a partner or ex-partner as evidence that they’re less likely to be abusers. <br/></p><p>Of course, the obvious flaw in this logic is that <b>sampling (ex-)partner murders isn’t going to be representative of DV</b>. Or even an example of DV; what if some dude comes home and finds his GF having sex with the <strike>mailman</strike> postman and just <b>goes nuts</b>, like that one dude in the first act of Minority Report? He was a loving husband right up until that moment. What if someone kills their partner for insurance money?</p><p>She <a href="https://archive.is/4lxvF#selection-367.0-367.129">claims elsewhere that there’s no systemic bias in women’s favor</a>. Why? Because women are, allegedly, more likely to be arrested on DV calls when identified as the perpetrator (1/10 for men vs 1/3 for women). Note that Smith switches between studies about the UK (like this one) and US at the drop of a hat, despite her main area of concern being the UK. Note also that <a href="http://www.nr-foundation.org.uk/downloads/Who-Does-What-to-Whom.pdf">the study in question</a> relies, again, <a href="https://archive.is/9PG9i">on who the <i>police</i> think are perps</a>. You know, <b>the very people whose bias is under question</b>. I apologize for what seems like <a href="http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=gamedropping&amp;defid=8261028">gamedropping</a>, but this is really the first thing I think of;<br/></p><figure class="tmblr-full" data-orig-height="462" data-orig-width="600"><img data-orig-height="462" data-orig-width="600" alt="image" src="https://78.media.tumblr.com/525551372cd1ee61930440f3be7afcfa/tumblr_inline_nnzwawMAUs1sps4wz_540.png"/></figure><p>As <a href="https://archive.is/9VIn7#selection-4817.0-4817.5">Ally Fogg points out</a> (<a href="https://archive.is/9VIn7#selection-5255.15-5267.10">and someone who claims to have worked at a shelter backs him up about this being the party line</a>) the study Smith is referencing also repeatedly downplays male victimization, describing mutual abuse in terms of male aggression and female self-defense, and generally goes “well, it’s worse for women”. And did I mention that the study was apparently done in the name of the Violence Against Women Studies Group at U of Bristol? No bias here, no sir.<br/></p><p>Oh, and <b>she’s the type of feminist who says men shouldn’t be feminists</b>, and that feminism isn’t about men, and that <a href="https://archive.is/9f4I1#selection-197.0-197.574">men just mess up feminism with their pesky concerns about men’s issues as well as women</a>, but can’t quite seem to grasp why people think she doesn’t care about men.<br/></p><figure class="tmblr-full" data-orig-height="351" data-orig-width="629"><img data-orig-height="351" data-orig-width="629" alt="image" src="https://78.media.tumblr.com/9ea6e9a69d6e7f1d18bed02a1be2a6d4/tumblr_inline_nnymn1OyTI1sps4wz_540.jpg"/></figure><p>For some reason.<br/></p></blockquote>: Karen Ingala Smith OK_IngalaSmith Follow Anybody pushing a gender neutral approach to domestic - or sexual violence is just a male violence enabler. RETWEETS FAVORITES 12 翩承滯叟 SA EU 24 1:39 AM-15 Jan 2014 <p><a href="http://siryouarebeingmocked.tumblr.com/post/118655406648/poppypicklesticks-samaelcarver-fishmostly" class="tumblr_blog">siryouarebeingmocked</a>:</p> <blockquote><p><a class="tumblr_blog" href="http://poppypicklesticks.tumblr.com/post/102341127774/samaelcarver-fishmostly-poppypicklesticks">poppypicklesticks</a>:</p> <blockquote> <p><a class="tumblr_blog" href="http://samaelcarver.tumblr.com/post/102341047579/fishmostly-poppypicklesticks-feminists-but">samaelcarver</a>:</p> <blockquote> <p><a class="tumblr_blog" href="http://fishmostly.tumblr.com/post/102315209628/poppypicklesticks-feminists-but-we-fight-for">fishmostly</a>:</p> <blockquote> <p><a class="tumblr_blog" href="http://poppypicklesticks.tumblr.com/post/102298084634/feminists-but-we-fight-for-men-too">poppypicklesticks</a>:</p> <blockquote> <p>Feminists: “But we fight for men too!!!!”</p> </blockquote> This person is the CEO of a (female-only) domestic violence shelter and winner of the 2014 National Diversity Awards for being a “positive role model”. ( <a href="http://kareningalasmith.com/about/">http://kareningalasmith.com/about/</a> ) </blockquote> <p>That’s both disturbing and fucking terrifying. </p> </blockquote> <p>it got worse </p> </blockquote> <p><a href="https://archive.is/YsgPy">No kidding</a>. In fact, <a href="https://archive.is/W6SKv">she has a little essay</a> directed at people who think she doesn’t care about men or are sexist. Allow me to excerpt;<br/></p><blockquote><p>I want to see an end to <b>men’s violence against women</b>.  I’m campaigning to raise awareness of <b>men’s fatal violence against women</b> and for action to increase our understanding of the reasons behind the differences in men and women’s use of violence and their victimisation, so that we can reduce <b>men’s violence against women</b>.</p><p>Women who are murdered are most likely to have been murdered by a man.  <b>Men who are murdered are most likely to have been murdered by a man</b>.  Men are more likely to be violent than women.  Not all men are murderers, not all men are violent. Some women are murderers, some women are violent.</p></blockquote><p>And yet, men are more likely to be murdered by other men than women, a fact which you have almost certainly come across while getting the statistics above. Or would acknowledging that hurt your threat narrative?</p><blockquote><p>Gender and gender differences – the ways that many of us behave in ways that are seen as being like a ‘typical man’ or a ‘typical woman’ – are socially constructed.  They are not biological, they are not inevitable.</p></blockquote><p>You heard it here first, everyone. <b>Gender is not influenced by biology in any way whatsoever</b>.</p><blockquote><p><b>All men benefit from inequality between women and men</b>.  This doesn’t mean that <b>some women are</b> not <b>in more advantageous positions than some men</b>. It doesn’t mean all men are the same.  It doesn’t mean that all women are the same.   It doesn’t mean that sex is the only important basis for inequality.  It doesn’t mean that everyone wants it to be that way.</p></blockquote><p>You may be waiting for the “but it does mean-”. It never comes.</p><blockquote><p>When men – and it usually is men, but not always – attack me for caring about women killed though men’s violence, by suggesting that this means <b>I don’t care about men who are victims of violence</b> (whether from women, or as more likely, other men), they’re using a straw man argument.   They saying that because I care about men killing women, I can’t care about men who are killed, to attack the fact that I care about women who are killed. <b>This may or may not be</b>, as suggested by a friend of mine, <a href="http://louisepennington.org/">Louise Pennington</a>, <b>because they do not care when men kill women</b>. </p></blockquote><p><i>&gt;says people who criticize her are using a straw man</i></p><p><i>&gt;tries to poison the well based on absolutely no evidence whatsoever</i></p><p><i>&gt;uses the exact same illogic she claims her critics are using.</i></p><p>Of course, the fact that <b>she has expressed not the slightest bit of actual concern for men who are killed through violence</b> in this entire article might be why people think she doesn’t care about men killed though violence.</p><p>Not to mention <a href="https://archive.is/Z2Q2L">her website’s actual section on men</a>, which comes across as callous, at best. In fact, s<a href="https://archive.is/4lxvF#selection-325.0-325.69">he claims that there’s no taboo against men reporting when they’re DV victims</a>, and, I quote;</p><ul></ul><blockquote><p>men are more – not less – likely to call the police</p><p>men are more likely – not less – to support a prosecution</p><p>men are less likely – not more – to drop charges.<sup>1</sup></p></blockquote><ul></ul><p>She also uses a 2002 study by <a href="http://siryouarebeingmocked.tumblr.com/post/51596361233/i-think-the-biggest-telling-point-is-this">known</a> <a href="http://siryouarebeingmocked.tumblr.com/post/51106877685/michael-kimmels-guyland-is-a-masterpiece-of">misandrist</a> <a href="http://siryouarebeingmocked.tumblr.com/tagged/michael-kimmel">Michael Kimmel</a> to support the claims. I want to point out that the title of what seems to be the paper is <a href="http://www.xyonline.net/sites/default/files/Kimmel,%20Gender%20symmetry%20in%20dom.pdf">““Gender Symmetry” in Domestic Violence”<br/></a></p><p>This is the first time in my memory I’ve seen a paper with <b>air-quotes in the title</b>. Scanning through the paper, he claims that MRAs aren’t motivated by a desire to actually improve things for male victims, but to derail and “disrupt” initiatives for female victims. Oddly enough, he neglects to provide any evidence or support for this claim. <b>Listen and Believe</b>, I guess.<br/></p><p>Leaving all that aside, on the PDF’s page 14, last paragraph, Kimmel claims that other studies support the claims he makes with Smith quoted, and that it’s the intuitive conclusion, because women are taught to just accept being abused. Which is weird, because last time I checked, in Western society, <b>men are still generally told not to hit women, even in self-defense</b>. Women are allowed to slap men around in public without people batting an eye. In fact, <a href="http://web.csulb.edu/~mfiebert/assault.htm">there are <b>hundreds of studies</b> indicating men and women are <b>equally as likely</b> to be <b>abusers</b></a>. Thing is, if abuse is severe enough to get the police to believe the man the victim, he’s more likely to follow through. A lot of <b>male</b> abuse <b>victims call the cops</b> and get booked for <b>forcing the woman</b> to <b>“defend herself”</b>. At which point they probably stop calling the cops.<br/></p><p> Among other things, Karen Ingala Smith repeatedly brings up the fact that women are more likely to be killed by a partner or ex-partner as evidence that they’re less likely to be abusers. <br/></p><p>Of course, the obvious flaw in this logic is that <b>sampling (ex-)partner murders isn’t going to be representative of DV</b>. Or even an example of DV; what if some dude comes home and finds his GF having sex with the <strike>mailman</strike> postman and just <b>goes nuts</b>, like that one dude in the first act of Minority Report? He was a loving husband right up until that moment. What if someone kills their partner for insurance money?</p><p>She <a href="https://archive.is/4lxvF#selection-367.0-367.129">claims elsewhere that there’s no systemic bias in women’s favor</a>. Why? Because women are, allegedly, more likely to be arrested on DV calls when identified as the perpetrator (1/10 for men vs 1/3 for women). Note that Smith switches between studies about the UK (like this one) and US at the drop of a hat, despite her main area of concern being the UK. Note also that <a href="http://www.nr-foundation.org.uk/downloads/Who-Does-What-to-Whom.pdf">the study in question</a> relies, again, <a href="https://archive.is/9PG9i">on who the <i>police</i> think are perps</a>. You know, <b>the very people whose bias is under question</b>. I apologize for what seems like <a href="http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=gamedropping&amp;defid=8261028">gamedropping</a>, but this is really the first thing I think of;<br/></p><figure class="tmblr-full" data-orig-height="462" data-orig-width="600"><img data-orig-height="462" data-orig-width="600" alt="image" src="https://78.media.tumblr.com/525551372cd1ee61930440f3be7afcfa/tumblr_inline_nnzwawMAUs1sps4wz_540.png"/></figure><p>As <a href="https://archive.is/9VIn7#selection-4817.0-4817.5">Ally Fogg points out</a> (<a href="https://archive.is/9VIn7#selection-5255.15-5267.10">and someone who claims to have worked at a shelter backs him up about this being the party line</a>) the study Smith is referencing also repeatedly downplays male victimization, describing mutual abuse in terms of male aggression and female self-defense, and generally goes “well, it’s worse for women”. And did I mention that the study was apparently done in the name of the Violence Against Women Studies Group at U of Bristol? No bias here, no sir.<br/></p><p>Oh, and <b>she’s the type of feminist who says men shouldn’t be feminists</b>, and that feminism isn’t about men, and that <a href="https://archive.is/9f4I1#selection-197.0-197.574">men just mess up feminism with their pesky concerns about men’s issues as well as women</a>, but can’t quite seem to grasp why people think she doesn’t care about men.<br/></p><figure class="tmblr-full" data-orig-height="351" data-orig-width="629"><img data-orig-height="351" data-orig-width="629" alt="image" src="https://78.media.tumblr.com/9ea6e9a69d6e7f1d18bed02a1be2a6d4/tumblr_inline_nnymn1OyTI1sps4wz_540.jpg"/></figure><p>For some reason.<br/></p></blockquote>
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