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        Being Alone, Apparently, and Bad: Sp3ctre7171 points 3 hours ago
 You are absolutely correct
 1) Miro learned to use the mobility of Winston, as well as his primal, to invent modern dive. He learned all of the tips and tricks
 and extracted extra value out of the hero that few realized was there. In doing so, he created a role that used main tank as an
 offensive centerpiece and threat to the backline, and all of a sudden flank heroes weren't alone. A poorly protected ana in the
 back could be beset by multiple members of the enemy team without much warning. However, this required both new gamesense
 from miro, and innovations in lucio play from Tobi. Specifically, tobi was able to peel for jehong better than many players thought
 was possible, compensating for the lack of defensive shields. The compounding innovation led to LH being an offensive threat at
 every position, and it made it possible for them to do the miraculous turnarounds that defined their APEX championship runs
 Playing against them was exhausting, as is expected from a team where any one member can wipe you out if left unchecked.
 2) Gesture's contribution was twofold. Firstly, he extracted more value out of winston's kit on the defensive side, learning how to
 use primal both to continue an attack, and to peel for his own back line, which leads into his second main development. That
 being, under Gesture the final decision was made to transfer shotcalling duties from the main support (lucio and later mercy) and
 onto the main tank, primarily because engagements were no longer dictated by speed boost, but by the dive from the main tank.
 Together with the rest of GC Busan, Gesture planned, called, and executed crisp dives that were far better timed and aimed than
 those of old LH. Whereas Miro's dives were a terror because you would be under attack from multiple divers, the style that
 Gesture led the way on involved being instantly deleted by a full dive, where a healer pair could be hit with burst from multiple
 heroes in the same instant. This in turn changed the Winston interplay into a mind game, where there was a choice to be made
 between deleting the enemy's backline and attempting to save your own. Winston players were forced to learn how to make each
 leap and pincer engage perfect, or they would simply lose the fight
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 Sp3ctre7160 points 3 hours ago
 (Continued)
 3) what guxue is introducing is a Winston as the focus of a dive, not just the linchpin. While that sounds like the same thing
 previously, the Winston would be used to coordinate dives and call the timing, but with Guxue, resources are poured into the
 Winston to make sure that he can have offensive value. Both because Winston can do damage to the whole team at once (and
 thus build ult insanely fast against teams pocketing a zen, or against GOATS comps), but also because Winston can
 simultaneously disrupt the escape methods for healers AND bypass most of the ways in which healers are protected, such as
 matrix and shields
 Guxue's innovations are most similar to miro's in that they are mostly focused on a single player's style and that one hero's impact
 in a game. Changing the offensive presence of a hero is impactful and increases the visible skill gap between good and bad
 teams, but the effects are mostly limited to that one hero. For that reason, I think that the innovations brought forth by Gesture
 (and many others) are the most important to the development of modern Winston play, in that they represented a fundamental
 change in the whole shotcalling and tactical philosophy of dive teams, and opened the gates to the more complex and match
 specific strategies that we saw in the overwatch league
owldesk:

some really good tank playstyle analysis on reddit (as a side note, this guy is apparently gonna have analysis articles out soon and you better BELIEVE i’m gonna link them bc if they’re anything like this write up they’ll be great)
        

            
            

                
                
                    Being Alone, Apparently, and Bad: Sp3ctre7171 points 3 hours ago
 You are absolutely correct
 1) Miro learned to use the mobility of Winston, as well as his primal, to invent modern dive. He learned all of the tips and tricks
 and extracted extra value out of the hero that few realized was there. In doing so, he created a role that used main tank as an
 offensive centerpiece and threat to the backline, and all of a sudden flank heroes weren't alone. A poorly protected ana in the
 back could be beset by multiple members of the enemy team without much warning. However, this required both new gamesense
 from miro, and innovations in lucio play from Tobi. Specifically, tobi was able to peel for jehong better than many players thought
 was possible, compensating for the lack of defensive shields. The compounding innovation led to LH being an offensive threat at
 every position, and it made it possible for them to do the miraculous turnarounds that defined their APEX championship runs
 Playing against them was exhausting, as is expected from a team where any one member can wipe you out if left unchecked.
 2) Gesture's contribution was twofold. Firstly, he extracted more value out of winston's kit on the defensive side, learning how to
 use primal both to continue an attack, and to peel for his own back line, which leads into his second main development. That
 being, under Gesture the final decision was made to transfer shotcalling duties from the main support (lucio and later mercy) and
 onto the main tank, primarily because engagements were no longer dictated by speed boost, but by the dive from the main tank.
 Together with the rest of GC Busan, Gesture planned, called, and executed crisp dives that were far better timed and aimed than
 those of old LH. Whereas Miro's dives were a terror because you would be under attack from multiple divers, the style that
 Gesture led the way on involved being instantly deleted by a full dive, where a healer pair could be hit with burst from multiple
 heroes in the same instant. This in turn changed the Winston interplay into a mind game, where there was a choice to be made
 between deleting the enemy's backline and attempting to save your own. Winston players were forced to learn how to make each
 leap and pincer engage perfect, or they would simply lose the fight
 Permalink Embed Save Parent Report Give Gold Reply
 Sp3ctre7160 points 3 hours ago
 (Continued)
 3) what guxue is introducing is a Winston as the focus of a dive, not just the linchpin. While that sounds like the same thing
 previously, the Winston would be used to coordinate dives and call the timing, but with Guxue, resources are poured into the
 Winston to make sure that he can have offensive value. Both because Winston can do damage to the whole team at once (and
 thus build ult insanely fast against teams pocketing a zen, or against GOATS comps), but also because Winston can
 simultaneously disrupt the escape methods for healers AND bypass most of the ways in which healers are protected, such as
 matrix and shields
 Guxue's innovations are most similar to miro's in that they are mostly focused on a single player's style and that one hero's impact
 in a game. Changing the offensive presence of a hero is impactful and increases the visible skill gap between good and bad
 teams, but the effects are mostly limited to that one hero. For that reason, I think that the innovations brought forth by Gesture
 (and many others) are the most important to the development of modern Winston play, in that they represented a fundamental
 change in the whole shotcalling and tactical philosophy of dive teams, and opened the gates to the more complex and match
 specific strategies that we saw in the overwatch league
owldesk:

some really good tank playstyle analysis on reddit (as a side note, this guy is apparently gonna have analysis articles out soon and you better BELIEVE i’m gonna link them bc if they’re anything like this write up they’ll be great)
                    
                
            

            
                
                
owldesk:

some really good tank playstyle analysis on reddit (as a side note, this guy is apparently gonna have analysis articles out soon a...

                
            
            
        

    

    

        
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        Memes, Happy, and Happy Gilmore: On this day in 1996, Shooter McGavin blew a 4-stroke lead to Happy Gilmore on the back 9 of the tour championship ⛳️
        

            
            

                
                
                    Memes, Happy, and Happy Gilmore: On this day in 1996, Shooter McGavin blew a 4-stroke lead to Happy Gilmore on the back 9 of the tour championship ⛳️
                    
                
            

            
                
                
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