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False equivalence and female objectification: reverseharem Frank Cho added 2 new photos - with Frank D Cho. 2 hrs 0 Well, this just happened. Milo Manara, master artist and storyteller, came in at the last ten minutes of my Art and Women panel and handed me a special gift in appreciation for fighting censorship- an original watercolor painting of Spider-Woman. The packed auditorium went wild. Wow. I'm just speechless. CHO! CME CRap RGan CRP SENG DHENTAM is it time for frank cho and milo manara to die or what aawb That's basically a naked woman l'm YELLING houroftheanarchistwolf What a pervert. What the FUCK does he not know how clothes work? What the hypothetical fuck is she wearing then if we can see all that? auntiewanda It's like how bath towels in comics miraculously wrap completely around breasts. Or how even when injured and dead on the ground women in comics have to be twisted into "sexy" poses. Or how women in comics walk like they're in high heels even barefoot. OH, SURE THROW THAT IN MY FACE- LISTEN, KIDDO, IVE KNOWN CABLE A LO0ONG TIME-- It's the only way men know how to draw women, because to them female characters are only there to be sexy. They only think of "women" as exploitative costumes and camera angles, high heels and titillation. Sex objects to ogle, plot objects to further male heroes' narratives and drama, not heroes to cheer for. brithwyr I'm sorry, I was labouring under the impression that this was the crowd that thought women should wear what they want..? auntiewanda And that applies to fictional women who are depicted by men how? You can't apply agency in the plot to something metatextual when it comes to fictional characters. brithwyr Come on, let's not pretend this is a male exclusive thing. UH... GENIUS, BILLIONAIRE, PLAYBOY, PHILANTHROPIST. A auntiewanda We're going to have this argument are we? Not to mention you're deviating from the original point that attributing agency to fictional characters' clothing is asinine. What you have here are images of power, and do you really believe these characters are designed with titillating heterosexual women and bisexual and homosexual men in mind? Because I don't think you do. This is why the Hawkeye Initiative exists. Take common female poses in comics, put a man in the role, and see how "empowering" and "strong" it actually looks: You like what bub? you see, HOOK TAXI HLOO Empowerment VSNULLANE YOU DON'T REMEMBER NAMED DICONE NO. GARTHP DUSTIN? VICP I CANT RECALL LILITHP GAR? YOU ARE BORING 00000 Also: BEING A BIG IMPOSSIBLY- MUSCLED HULK IS A MALE POWER FANTASY IT HAS JACK TO DO WITH WHAT A FEMALE SUCH AS MYSELF FINDS ATTRACTIVE IM TIRED OF YOU GRIPING THAT CHICKS W COMIC BOOKS ARE SEXUALLY OBJECTIFIED! THE DUDES ARE, TOO! THEY'RE BIG IMPOSSIBLY MUSCLED HULKS! FIRST OF ALL, GOOGLE "FALSE EQUIVALENCE." AND, YOU KNOW WHAT? SEEING HIS EYES IS IMPORTANT. THEY SHOULD BE LARGE AND NTENSE HERE LET ME SHOW YOU WHAT I MEAN FIM GONNA GET THE HOTS FOR BATMAN HE HAS TO BE BULT FOR DEXTERITY NOT POWER. LETS MAKE HIM MORE LEAN. LETS THROW W SOME ROSY CHEEKS AND KISSABLE LIPS. TH-THAT ART MAKES ME FEEL UNCOMFORTABLE WELCOME TO THE BACKGROUND RADIATION OF MY LIFE. SHORTPACKEDCOM feminism-is-radical He got the painting for fighting against 'censorship. Note that they handed him a gross design of a female being objectified, because at the end of the to be allowed to day, that is all they really wa objectify women. They don't care about censorship in general it is about their ability to sexualise and degrade women without consequence. schnerp You can see her butthole for chrissakes pmastamonkmonk I think the best imagery l've seen to explain the difference between what men think male objectification is vs what women actually want to see is the Hugh Jackman magazine covers. EXTRA GET RIPPED IN JUST 10 MINUTES MUSC FITESS SREAKT TECHOL TORCH FAT 25 SUPERHERO SPECIALI HUGH JACKMANS The Routine That Bullt the Star of LOGAN WAYSTO BURN iTOFF BUILD YOUR BIG PECS BODY WITHOUT WEIGHTS OURTOTAL TRAINING PROGRAM 100REPSPLAN TUT IFYOU CAN SURVIVEIT, YOU WILL GROW! Hugh Jackman on a men's magazine. He's shirtless and buff and angry. He's imposing and aggressive. This is a male power fantasy, it's what men want to be and aspire to - intense masculinity. AUGUST 2013 Goods DROP 5 Ibs. NOW Housekcepin 30 Minute Dinners 5 Minute Desserts Нugh Jackman's Recipe for Get out of the kitchen FAST THE JOY OF KEEPSAKES .WITHOUT THE CLUTTER p. 101 Romance What keeps his marriage rock-solid Savings Plans for Late Starters Fix your money mistakes GOOD HOUSEKEEPING SUMMER SKIN SECRETS BEST PRODUCTS, TIPS & TRICKS OJUST JARED Hugh Jackman on a women's magazine. He looks like a dad. He looks like he's going to bake me a quiche and sit and watch Game of Thrones with me. He looks like he gives really good hugs. Men think women want big hulking naked men in loin cloths which is why they always quote He-Man as male objectification - without realizing that He Man is naked and buff in a loin cloth because MEN WANT HIM TO BE. More women would be happy to see him in a pink apron cutting vegetables and singing off- key to 70s rock. Men want objects. Women want PEOPLE. aglassroseneverfades This is the first time I have EVER seen this false equivalence articulated so well. Thank you. #important 307,579 notes False equivalence and female objectification
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tl;dr: let Millennials enjoy kid stuff since we live in a joyless hellscape. Thanks, Boomers.: Catherynne Valente O @catvalente Last night, Bill Maher went on a rant about comic books & those who love them & the generation (it rhymes with Schmelennials!) that uses words like #adulting & doesn't want to give up the things they loved as kids or grow up Well my name is Miss Valente &I got something to say 6:45 PM · 26/01/2019 Tweetbot for iOS 7,051 Retweets 21.6K Likes Replying to @catvalente First of all, Mister Bill Maher, I'm not sure how smugly bloviating, smoking pot, and screwing people way too young for you is any more mature than reading comic books but okay buddy. O 55 t7544 8,701 Catherynne Valente O @catvalente 1d v Secondly, I'm not even going to get into the literary merit of comic books. Some are great art. Some are ridiculous trash. Kind of like every other genre & medium out there. It's not worth discussing as it's obvious on the face of it that adding pictures does not subtract value. O 18 t7301 6,585 Catherynne Valente O @catvalente 1d v I want to say this. Do you know why millennials "refuse to grow up"? Because we finally figured out that the whole idea is bullshit designed to suppress human joy enough to keep them grinding for an uncaring company for 50 years in unhappy marriages until death is a mercy. Catherynne Valente O @catvalente · 1d v The reason my generation still plays in ball pits & reads comic books & plays dress up is that contemporary society has made most of the good parts of adult life financially unreachable: home, family, travel, even theater is $500 a ticket All that's left is the crushing despair! O 29 271,500 10.6K Catherynne Valente O @catvalente 1d v In the vacuum left by the loss of reachable life goals, we 80s kids kind of figured: fuck it. Why the hell should we give up what is good & joyful & rich of the art & accoutrements of childhood in exchange for a yawning grey void? How was that ever considered a fair deal? 21 t71,031 9,068 Catherynne Valente O @catvalente 1d v What Maher and his peers cannot understand is that even their generation returned to the beautiful well of childhood -to share it with their own children. The problem is, many in my generation cannot afford to have kids, or must wait until very late. O 10 27 350 6,050 Catherynne Valente O @catvalente 1d v You are not superior because you collect items from the Sharper Image catalogue rather than Comic Con. You have just allowed what others think of you to dictate a narrow range of joy you are allowed to experience. Unless you really love $5000 massage chairs I guess. O 22 t7539 7,147 Catherynne Valente @catvalente 1d Adulthood has always been a trick played on the whole of humanity. Convincing us to give up magic & beauty & fun for their own sake in exchange for our labor & loyalty to whatever boss is going around Only recently has society become decentralized enough to re-examine the terms 9 31 271,885 9,738 Catherynne Valente O @catvalente · 1d v When complaining that millennials refuse to grow up, it might behoove the media to stop referring to 35 year olds as though they're hapless children who don't know what's good for them. O 14 27785 7,455 Catherynne Valente O @catvalente 1d v Companies will give us nothing but a company store. Governments sell out to each other and burn the planet. Markets offer no safety. There is almost nothing left of our parents' world. So read a fucking comic book if you want to, life is so heartbreakingly brief. 乜870 7,946 Catherynne Valente O @catvalente 1d v Maybe, just maybe, consider the idea that the millennials got this one right. It was always a bad deal that only benefitted the masters. You get one life on this rock. Why in the hell would you give up something you love just because you got old enough to really appreciate it? Catherynne Valente O @catvalente 1d v Give us back the social contract, make the hallmarks of adulthood remotely reachable for us, and maybe we'll consider putting down the comics. Probably not, but we'll have a house to read them in. O 314 t7745 9,892 R.A. Salvatore @r_a_salvatore 22h Replying to @catvalente This is absolutely beautiful. 06 223 ♡ 1,084 Catherynne Valente O @catvale... · 21h Thank you so much! *silent shrieking* 537 tl;dr: let Millennials enjoy kid stuff since we live in a joyless hellscape. Thanks, Boomers.
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