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Ass, Clothes, and England: The Ionian Chiton. The Dorian Chiton. Costume. Chitons Marjorie & C. H. B.Quennell, Everyday Things in Archaic Greece (London: B. T Batsford, 1931) killerchickadee Wait, wait.. Is that seriously ? How their clothes go? yeah hey whats up bout to put some fucking giant sheets on my body childrentalking lets bring back sheetwares ardatli When you're carding, spinning and weaving everything from scratch, using the big squares exactly as they come off the loom must seem like a fucking brillant idea. 90% (or more) of pre-14th century clothing is made purely on squares (and sometimes triangles cut from squares) annathecrow How did they get the fabric so fine it draped like that? Was that something medieval europe forgot? Or do I just have a completely misguided image of historical clothing? ardati Medieval Europe also had incredibly fine weaves, though the ancient world tended to have them beat. Linen was found in Egypt woven with a fineness that we're still trying to replicate, and there was a kind of cotton woven in India caled woven wind that was supposedly stil translucent at eight layers, and wool shawls so fine that the entire thing could be drawn through a wedding nng The way they could get away with pinking and slashing doublets in the 16th century was partially because the fabrics were so tightly woven that you could simply cut a line on the bias and nothing would fray Modern fabric machining sucks ass in terms of giving us any kind of quality like the kind human beings produced prior to the Industrial Revolution yells about textile history* Reblogging because its fascinating uidu-regani The Celts made very fine clothing as well. They invented plaid after al, and the same weaves that have been found at the La Tene/Halstatt salt mines in Austria were also found as far away as westem China in the tombs of the Tarim mummies Can we talk about 18th century and regency era musin as well because that shit is gorgeous. It's so fine it's more transparent than silk chiffon and oh the tiny hems you can make with n I have an 18th century neckerchief and the hem is about 2mm wide. Not kidding, 2mmll Because it didn't fray lke our stuff does now. All we can produce nowadays is a rough, scratchy, bullshit excuse for muslin and it's horrid bmwiid I love this because we've gotten so blind to what makes 'good fabric now machine lace? horrible scratchy shit mostly made from poly. Actual lace is handmade, lasts for fucking EVER and looks stunning. Regency gowns fucking rocked in terms of fabric quality- we use muslin as a throw away' before sewing the real fabric, back then it WAS a real fabric and it was so finely made you wouldn t even think it was the same stuff Hand hemming is still the best way to finish off anything, but harder than hell because of the shitty weave of modern fabrics. Satin? Silks?I Pah. Yes, fabric is cheaper, more affordable and varied than before, but it is an area where QUALITY was sacrificed for QUANTITY (I don't want to seem like I'm shitting on how great we have it now for clothes and martials or anything, because YAYll but also, I'd love to get my mits on a bolt of real Muslin) archaeologists recently found some Bronze Age fabric woven on site and preserved in marsh in England. it's fine to die for. they were exporting it and trading into Asia. Textile history
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Ass, Clothes, and England: The Ionian Chiton The Dorian Chiton. bramblepatch: countlessscreamingargonauts: scarimor: bmwiid: woodsmokeandwords: uidu-regani: tardygrading: spazzbot: ardatli: annathecrow: ardatli: childrentalking: itwashotwestayedinthewater: fabledquill: killerchickadee: intheheatherbright: intheheatherbright: Costume. Chitons. Marjorie C. H. B.Quennell, Everyday Things in Archaic Greece (London: B. T. Batsford, 1931). Wait, wait…. Is that seriously it? How their clothes go? that genuinely is it yeah hey whats up bout to put some fucking giant sheets on my body lets bring back sheetwares When you’re carding, spinning and weaving everything from scratch, using the big squares exactly as they come off the loom must seem like a fucking brilliant idea. 90% (or more) of pre-14th century clothing is made purely on squares (and sometimes triangles cut from squares).  How did they get the fabric so fine it draped like that? Was that something medieval europe forgot? Or do I just have a completely misguided image of historical clothing? Medieval Europe also had incredibly fine weaves, though the ancient world tended to have them beat. Linen was found in Egypt woven with a fineness that we’re still trying to replicate, and there was a kind of cotton woven in India called ‘woven wind’ that was supposedly still translucent at eight layers, and wool shawls so fine that the entire thing could be drawn through a wedding ring.  The way they could get away with pinking and slashing doublets in the 16th century was partially because the fabrics were so tightly woven that you could simply cut a line on the bias and nothing would fray.  Modern fabric machining sucks ass in terms of giving us any kind of quality like the kind human beings produced prior to the Industrial Revolution.  *yells about textile history* Reblogging because it’s fascinating. The Celts made very fine clothing as well. They invented plaid after all, and the same weaves that have been found at the La Tene/Halstatt salt mines in Austria were also found as far away as western China in the tombs of the Tarim mummies. Can we talk about 18th century and regency era muslin as well because that shit is gorgeous. It’s so fine it’s more transparent than silk chiffon and oh the tiny hems you can make with it!! I have an 18th century neckerchief and the hem is about 2mm wide. Not kidding, 2mm!!! Because it didn’t fray like our stuff does now. All we can produce nowadays is a rough, scratchy, bullshit excuse for muslin and it’s horrid. I love this because we’ve gotten so blind to what makes ‘good’ fabric now - machine lace? horrible scratchy shit mostly made from poly. Actual lace is handmade, lasts for fucking EVER and looks stunning.  Regency gowns fucking rocked in terms of fabric quality - we use muslin as a ‘throw away’ before sewing the real fabric, back then it WAS a real fabric and it was so finely made you wouldn’t even think it was the same stuff.  Hand hemming is still the best way to finish off anything, but harder than hell because of the shitty weave of modern fabrics.  Satin? Silks?! Pah. Yes, fabric is cheaper, more affordable and varied than before, but it is an area where QUALITY was sacrificed for QUANTITY.  (I don’t want to seem like I’m shitting on how great we have it now for clothes and martials or anything, because YAY!! but also, I’d love to get my mits on a bolt of real Muslin)  archaeologists recently found some Bronze Age fabric woven on site and preserved in marsh in England. it’s fine to die for. they were exporting it and trading into Asia. I’m not into fashion, but I love reading about the history and evolution of it. My favorite textile history fact is that the ancient Romans loved really sheer, floaty silks, but at the time the fashion in China, where the silk was produced, was for heavy, intricate brocades. So the Romans would import the heavier fabrics, painstakingly unravel them, and use the silk thread to weave the fabric they liked.
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