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Not sure if this was posted here before: The Catalogue of Anti-Socialist Smear Tactics: The Catalogue of Anti-Socialist Smear Tactics Charge of Endangerment (Code Orange) Charge of Irascibility (Code Red) Charge of Overgeneralization (Code Gray) Discussion: The target is accused of having anger issues Whatever negative emotions he/she may have toward capitalism are assumed to be unjustifiable. Discussion:The target is accused of being a menace in some undefined manner. This charge may be coupled with an attempt to censor the target. Discussion: The target is accused of making generalizations concerning the character of the wealthy or capitali sts. "Not all bosses are bad, you know" "A lot of rich folk are really good people." "A lot of corporations contribute to charity, you know" "Why are you so pessimistic?" "You're so negative!" "You sound like a terrorist." "You're dangerous. "Talk like this leads to totalitarianism." "My grandfather fought communism and this discussion is very upsetting to me." Respone: Anger is a legitimate emotion in the face of injustice. It is important to remember that passive acceptance of injustice is not a virtue. Response: One should point out that socialist critique has nothing to do with the ethical character of capitalists as individuals, but rather the role they play in an exploitative system. One should also point out that charity merely mends flaws in a broken system Response: It may be helpful to point out that an aversion to open discussion is itself a warning sign of totalitarianism. Many authoritarian regimes defined themselves as anti- socialist and/or anti-communist. Charge of Cowardice (Code Yellow) Discussion: The target is accused of having a fear of "free" market competition Charge of Misanthropy (Code Black) "You just want the state to take care of you." "You want all your decisions made for you." Discussion: The target is accused of malice toward humanity or society Charge of Rationalization (Code Purple) Discussion: The target is accused of explaining away his/her own failures and/or dissatisfaction by blaming capitalism for his/her "lack of success" as defined by the accuser. "You're against the individual." "You're against Western culture. "Socialists want everybody to be a number in a computer." Response: Socialism has nothing to do with the state administering everything. It is about participating in a democratic workplace. It is just the opposite of wanting to be governed; it is a demand to participate in governance, to control ones own working life "You're just jealous of the rich." "You just want to drag everybody down to your level. Response: One may point out that socialism is an ideology which promotes first and foremost the rights of workers - that is, the majority of humanity. Those who accuse socialists of opposing "Western culture" must assume that capitalism is the same thing as Western culture. Some sociali sts like Theodor Adorno even claimed that culture was being degraded by capitalism. Marxism claims that capitalism reduces "the indivi dual" to a cog in a vast machine. It proposes a classless, stateless society ("communi sm") to replace it. In such a society, Marx claimed the individual would freely utilize their creative talents and intellect, making it a system more favourable to "the individual" than capitalism. Response: This is an example of a circumstantial ad hominem. Why shouldn't we be angry at the beneficiaries of an exploitative system? Is it "jealousy" that causes people to feel anger toward criminal gangs, for example? Charge of Hypersensitivity (Code Blue) Discussion: The target is accused of being hysterical or exaggerating the flaws of capitalism (i.e., he/she is accused of playing "Chicken Little"). Examples: "Stop whining!" "Get over it!" Charge of Fanaticism (Code Brown) "It's not as bad as all that!" Discussion: The target is accused of subscribing to an intolerant ideology or of being devoted to a totalitarian belief system Response: One who uses the Code Blue tactic reveals a callous indifference to the humanity of workers. It may be constructive to confront such an accuser and ask if the exploitation of workers needs to be addressed or not ("yes" or "no"). If the accuser answers in the negative, it may be asking why any worker should care about the accuser's welfare, since the favour will obviously not be returned. If the accuser claims they are helpless to do anything about the problem, one can ask why the accuser is then attacking those who are trying to do something about it. Charge of Instability (Code White) "The Nazis were socialists too, you know" "You're an extremist. "Sounds like fascism!" Discussion: The target is accused of being emotionally or mentally unstable. "You're insane." "You must be crazy to believe that..." Response: Socialist ideology takes many forms and has always done so. "Socialism" is not synonymous with Stalinism A great many socialists are opposed to Stalinism The Nazis promoted a corporatist, class collaborationi st ideology which they termed "socialism" in an attempt to gain working class support. In practice, they privatized most of the economy, arrested socialists/communists and banned independent labour unions. Response: Einstein once defined insanity as repeating the same actions expecting different results. Capitalism is a crisis prone system, as the 2008 financial collapse demonstrated. Yet we continue to repeat the errors of the past expecting different results. The logic of capitalism is itself a kind of insanity: the concept of continuous growth on a planet of finite resources is surely insane. Charge of Puerility (Code Green) Discussion: The target is accused of being immature, idealistic, maladjusted and/or irresponsible in some manner that reflects badly on their status as adults. Charge of Selfishness (Code Silver) Charge of Invirility (Code Lavendar) Discussion: Socialist are commonly accused of selfishness for wishing to deprive capitalists of "their" property or "their" money Discussion: The target's masculinity or sexual orientation are called into question. "Grow up!" "This stuff is for edgy teens "You'll grow out of it. "Left-wingers are effeminate, gay etc. etc.. "You are so greedy." "You are materialistic." Response: Socialism is and has been advocated by people of many different age groups and personality types. The claim that it is an ideology exclusively of the young just does not correspond to reality. Response: If in a discussion with a right-winger, it may be worth pointing out that this is just the sort of ad hominem attack they most despise when used by their liberal opponents. The sexuality of the debaters is of course of no relevance in economic discussions. Response: Capitalists exploit the surplus value of workers and they must do this in order to run a profitable business. To demand an end to exploitation is not "greed". If anything deserves to be called "greedy" and "materialistic", it should be capitalist exploitation. Not sure if this was posted here before: The Catalogue of Anti-Socialist Smear Tactics
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I was unfairly banned for saying that furries should burn, it was satire and did not break any rules, the mod himself was probably a furry himself: Your Submission Was Removed From /R/Teenagers: from /u/nonversxtion sent 8 minutes ago Please DO NOT reply back to this removal message directly OR PM or invite moderators to chat. These messages will be ignored! See footer for more information. Hi, markusha1978! Unfortunately, your submission has been removed from /r/teenagers for the following reason(s) listed below: 1. No Personal Attacks. a. Racism, sexism, ageism, homophobia, transphobia and other hatred-based commentary are prohibited. This includes using discrimination, slurs, and derogatory words with intent to offend and harm. b. Ad-hominem attacks taking the place of respectful discussion will be removed. C. Witch-hunting, brigading, threatening, harassment, and targeting users is not allowed as per official Reddit guidelines. Please see here. d. Rate threads, AmIUgly threads (including different variations of this abbreviation), and roast threads not allowed, and are better off on other Reddit communities. are This may have resulted in infraction points being added to your account. To see how many infraction points you have, message the moderators. To learn more about infraction points, click here. Please familiarise yourself with our rules before commenting or submitting. If you feel this was done in error, or would like further clarification, please don't hesitate to Message the moderators or type /r/teenagers in the addressee box when composing a message to modmail us! Please DO NOT reply back to this removal message directly OR PM or invite moderators to chat. These messages will be ignored! [Link to your submission] Permalink Delete Report Block User Mark Unread Reply I was unfairly banned for saying that furries should burn, it was satire and did not break any rules, the mod himself was probably a furry himself
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Hominem: =A LOOK AT LOGICAL FALLACIES ROBOTS SHOULD TAKE OVER THE WORLD! O O Premise accepted. Please state your arguments. I have met a few people, and I conclude that all humans are ugly, evil, and smell like socks. You say we should work alongside humans, but what about the human who short-circuited my friend? HASTY GENERALIZATION RED HERRING That is unfortunate, but it is irrelevant and distracting from the main argument. You have not studied enough examples for such a conclusion. If we act nice to humans now soon they will demand constant back rubs. All humans start out as incompetent babies, so they must grow up to become incompetent adults GENETIC FALLACY SLIPPERY SLOPE The first event will not necessarily lead to such an extreme result. You cannot judge a thing based on its origins. Robots are better leaders because Where is your robot pride? of superior leadership skills. AD POPULUM CIRCULAR ARGUMENT You are appealing to my emotional circuits instead of You are restating your point instead of proving it. presenting facts. The humans who make me do math for them are Why do you hate robots so much? worse than MagmaDroid, Melter of Hard Drives! O O STRAW MAN MORAL EQUIVALENCE You are attacking a point of view that is not my own. Your comparison is unfair and inaccurate. It is better to destroy the humans than let the humans destroy us. Those evil humans need to be stopped! BEGGING THE CLAIM EITHER/OR You are oversimplifying. There are more than two You must prove they are evil before using it in your argument. possible outcomes. I met a human, and then I began malfunctioning. Humans are to blame! I conclude you should not be debating while you are malfunctioning. POST HOC ERGO PROPTER HOC AD HOMINEM That is attacking me and not my arguments! Just because B followed A does not mean A caused B.
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Hominem: LOGICAL FALLACIES AD HOMINEM 1 Attacking the individual instead of the argument APPEAL TO FORCE 2 Telling the hearer that something bad will happen to him if he does not accept the argument. APPEAL TO PITY 3 Urging the hearer to accept the argument based upon an appeal to emotions, sympathy, etc APPEAL TO THE POPULAR 4 Urging the hearer to accept a position because a majority of people hold to it. APPEAL TO TRADITION 5 Trying to get someone to accept something because it has been done or believed for a long time. BEGGING THE QUESTION 6 Assuming the thing to be true that you are trying to prove. It is circular. CATEGORY MISTAKE 7 Attributing a property to something that could not possibly have that property. CAUSE AND EFFECT Assuming that the effect is related to a cause because the events occur together. CIRCULAR ARGUMENT See Begging the Question FALLACY OF COMPOSITION 10 Assuming that what is true of the part is true for the whole. FALLACY OF DIVISION Assuming that what is true of the whole is true for the parts FALLACY OF EQUIVOCATION 12 Using the same term in an argument in different places but the word has different meanings. GLUTEN-FREE RECIPES 13 Giving two choices when in actuality there could be more choices possible. GENETIC FALLACY 14 Attempting to endorse or disqualify a claim because of the origin or irrelevant history of the claim. GUILT BY ASSOCIATION 15 Rejecting an argument or claim because the person proposing it likes someone whom is disliked by another. NON SEQUITUR 16 Comments or information that do not logically follow from a premise or the conclusion. POISONING THE WELL 17 Presenting negative information about a person before he/she speaks so as to discredit the person's argument. STRAW MAN ARGUMENT 18 Producing an argument about a weaker representation of the truth and attacking it. ICHBININDAH.BLOGSPOT.COM
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Are All TERFs Like This? For context the original post had nothing to do with feminism she just randomly inserted a rant and has been on a roll since.: day ago Not sure why you feel the need to make Anon responses at this point but okay But anyway... Maybe don't bring up the slur "terf" for a person not taking your side because ya'know scamming is wrong? Guilt-tripping Woxxn into letting men into Feminism is an overall shitty thing to do since Woxxn have to fight to keep our bathroom rights and bodily rights. Talk about skipping over all the evidence of men being shitty but you're right when you say "Woxxn are shitty too", you and Queen-Dice are perfect examples. What was terf again? Oh right, trans-exclusionary radical feminist i.e. Woxxn who don't give a fuck about male feelings. Name a time in history where men didn't treat Woxxn like second class citizens or objects to fuck? Fair to say you also support Drew DeVeaux's cotton ceiling. I mean, you mad they only reblogged posts about male violence. Slur? LMFAO men call Woxxn slurs all the time and it's amazing when nobody cares. Help? You? You stillyawn* using traced bases? Reply Sharex 10 hours ago I didn't, at least not intentionally. Nothing to say except to be mad I called you what you are and to be mistaken over TERF being a slur? Also, what's with the weird asterisk rp? People still do that? Yikes. Edit Reply Share 4 hours ago edited Sure thing. It's no mistake that terf is a slur used against Lesbians specifically for not wanting dick and Woxxn in general who don't coddle males. Like, what? All the links just apparently wasn't evidence enough of men being trash like always. Gotta look the other way ignoring it. You'd be shocked just how many Terfs there are out there. http://www.deviantart.com/.. Like so many entitled dudes who just refuse to take a hint *yawn http://grireign.tumblr.com... Just seriously how stupid men look and how stupid people in general look supporting stupidity. Oh, and that must be me since Grlreign sure is terfy. Hell, I must be reality and biology since that's terfy too. Even male bodies are terfy since male bodies are not really Fexxle. Reply Share 3hours ago |So anyway, nothing to say about the actual topic? Well ok. Bye then. Edit Reply Share 3 hours ago Maybe comprehend some English, rape-apologist? Share Reply hours ago edited How is pointing out that you're trying to derail the topic make me a rape apologist? Are you having a stroke?? Also Nicky Clark @MrsNickyClark Me :TERF isn't a slur. TERF: HOW DARE YOU USE A SLUR. Me: Are you a radical feminist? TERF:YES Me: Do you exclude trans women from your feminism? TERF: YES. Me: So you're a Trans Exclusionary Radical Feminist? TERF: YES see more Reply Edit Share 2 hours ago edited That got your attention I see, rape-apologist. Derailing? You be a rape-apologist for supporting transwomen i.e. Drew DeVeaux. Andi Dier. Zinnia Jones. Riley J. Dennis. Morgan Oger. Jessic/Jonathan Yaniv. TRAS who support violence against Woxxn. Y'all call Woxxn who don't want dick and males in Fexxle spaces a slur i.e. a terf. Some bullshit to use to attack Woxxn with and coerce them into giving into men. You must be since you can't handle everything I've given as evidence men are shit and crazy. It's interesting how men just want to write and make movies about hate fucking Woxxn all the time and be praised for it by Woxxn: https://auntiewanda.tumblr... LMFAO Yea, that's like calling a Woxxn a bitch as just a label for being mad. Not coddling men. Not wanting to fuck men. Same old misogyny Reply Share » 2 hours ago The same way a loon hollering at a street corner catches ones attention, yeah. Your whole argument is an ad hominem from a strawman that you pulled from thin air Either stay on topic or get lost. Edit Reply Share hours ago You sound like an incel/mgtow with the "fexxle" and "woxxen" shit. Just use the proper terms dude. Wouldnt surprise me if you were femcel given the fact you spend so much time harassing people on this page over the dumbest most asinine shit. Post, after post, after post, do you not have anything else better to do?? Imagine having the free time to be mad about someone's gender identity and sexuality to the point you think being called out for it as a terf is a slur. Yet you proudly had shit on your page saying "reblog if youre a terf!!" So which is it? A badge of honor or a slur? Reply Share 1 A 3 hours ago edited Calling men trash makes me a Femcel? LMFAO Cool beans. History says men are trash. Now cry a river Can you magically change your age? Can you magically change your species? Can you magically change your race? No? No? No? Then sex is not an identity because make up and dresses won't magically change your sex. Imagine thinking a pair of pants makes you a man. LMFA0 men. Imagine pretending you're the most oppressed Woxxn so people once again kiss your ass. Like, damn that's some serious snowflake for demanding pronoun validation right there. Post after post after campaign after campaign men demanding they have access to Fexxle spaces and bodies. Reply Share 2hours ago The lack of awareness you have to irony fucking hilarious. I didn't say sexI said sexuaity, theres a difference. Youre smart so l'l let you figure out what that is. You sound like a boomer that's triggered by a gay person having the audacity to exist in a public space without a mob behind them. Get with the times grandma. Don't like a trans person? Leave them alone. Done date them. Its that simple. Go to 4chan or lolcow if your want your terf shit validated. Are you a lesbian who has been harassed by a trans person?? Judging by your various pages the only person who does any kind of harassing is you You turned an already bat shit crazy "callout" post for a furry artist youve been stalking into some sort of platform for your oppression Olympics. I'm cis so I don't understand where you seemed to pick up that I need my pronouns validated go off though, I guess. Reply Share 1 A 39 minutes ago LMFAO Sure thing. Yet Sex. Sexuality has nothing to do with gender but you idiots love to claim otherwise calling us Terfs. Farts. Perfs and so on. Sex and Sexuality correlate because it's attraction based on sex i.e. Fexxle or male. I.e. HomoSEXUALITY. BISEXUALITY. HeteroSEXUALITY. People attracted to you based on your sex. Not what your outfit is today. How about trannies stay out of Fexxle spaces that exclude them based on their sex? Yea, thanks for proving Woxxn cannot have anything to themselves because men are totes the most oppressed womynz. Take your nasty Drew DeVeaux's and get out because we ain't gonna validate your silly pronouns. I've had men get in my face while at work just doing my job harassing me and not fucking off while they don't do this to other men. Judging by all the links I've left it's just men who cannot piss off and leave Woxxn alone http:://ahsokatanojedilesbi.. Where's the lie? Well, she wants to trace and be coddled she gets called out for it....with evidence. Yea, I don't get how angry clowns need their pronouns validated by any means necessary while Woxxn's privacy and security and bodily rights is a joke to y'all. Share . a day ago Okay...is this english some parts? Wtf is woxxn? Fexxle? Are these some made up species? Honestly not getting what this whole thing about? Tracers?sounds like Feminism on parts? Sexist women or sexist males? Generalisation of all men are evil(this coming from a female will say that is completely sexist if is implying that)? What is this even...is so all over the place??? I think i agree with the Mod...maybe this argument should have be in disqus or keep it maybe private...it seems something that should be keep private Reply Share a day ago Well, l'd explain it to you Anon but it'd be too much since you can't figure it out on your own. Considering all the links I gave yea, men certainly do see us as a made up species. I mean, states really out here regulating our bodies for their consumption by any means. Clearly. History claims all men are trash till they clean up their act and I don't care how much it hurts his feelings, even when he dresses in drag. Maybe next time SuqaarKyuubi won't bring in "terf" because somebody else don't agree with her? Maybe read her last few posts? Private? Nah, It should be out in the open. Only quilty people would want it in private. .for obvious reasons Reply Share Are All TERFs Like This? For context the original post had nothing to do with feminism she just randomly inserted a rant and has been on a roll since.
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Some person was claiming that people were white washing Nessa, a black character from the new Pokemon game. I responded, and they have not proved anything to me throughout out convo. (I'm blue, they're magenta.): whitewashing nessa because of "color theory". like,,, n.,, Tweet are people legit this stupid., like,, is this really how we're gonna be? literally just draw her brown or dont draw her at all its legitimately 19:51 15 Jun 19 Twitter for Android 7h Replying t 1 Retweet 3 Likes straight for the ad hominem and responding to a screenshot and not damn wowN my actual tweet they're still drawing her brown she's literally still black it's just depending the mood of the drawing there needs to not that hard :1d 63% 11:37 PM on Replying to when people don't understand how Tweet be certain tones to balance it out. she's artists balance out an image with certain still black Imao tones using color theory because it's "racist." like,, no,, 4h when artists you look up to justify whitewashing nessa because of "color theory". like,, no,, 5h 23h coloring her lighter than she is while every other aspect of her is colored the same, is whitewashing fam, idk what to tell you ti 1 lol okay 1 t 1 8h Replying to legendary response you just obliterated my argument 1 WOW when people don't understand 1h 5h Replying to LMAO00 you keep screenshotting my responses and insulting me like it proves your point. it's fuckin funny as hell! keep trying to prove i'm wrong by calling stupid, i'm sure it really makes you seem mature and shows you are coloring her lighter than she is while every other aspect of her is colored the same, is whitewashing fam, idk what to tell you imagine being this stupid lol B 55%5:53 PM me Tweet 1 right. image with certain tones using color theory because it's "racist." like,, no,. 4h 1 L you see this image? her skin color is lighter than the official art, that is correct. but so is very other color. it's to balance out the piece. it's not white washing. it's color theory. she is still very obviously black. so, again, it's NOT white washing. 53m 1 2 your responses show I'm right lol 13m you keep resorting to points. same for yo insults and repeating the same you clearly don't have anything else to resort to. i won't say i'm right, but you haven't shown me Replying to THE NEW CHALLENGER IS SO CUTE... damn wow straight for the ad hominem and responding to a screenshot and not my proof of nessa being white washed. you ignored my other tweet that used art to back up my claim. good job! actual tweet they're still drawing her brown she's literally still black it's just Some person was claiming that people were white washing Nessa, a black character from the new Pokemon game. I responded, and they have not proved anything to me throughout out convo. (I'm blue, they're magenta.)
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Got the usual for you guys. This time it’s human nature, commies killed billions, ad-hominem, and Argument ad populum: cantandknowingwhat 14m It's not propaganda, modern "communists" are just trying to find a way to be different without being able to face reality. Communism in and of itself wasn't that bad but the people who used it were, you just have to grow up and get over the fact that something where everyone works together will never work unless all humans are already dead so they can all be dead together. People are selfish, greedy, and competitive pieces of garbage. Just look at people who try to make communism a good thing. It's just as bad as capitalism except capitalism has killed far less people. Communism is retardedly idealistic and childish in its goals, people just do not work that way. I've honestly never met a single so-called "communist" that wasn't a mentally-retarded child because that's what you all are. You live in a fantasy land, calling everything you don't like to hear "propaganda" or "lies" that are made up by people of a competing ideology but all ideologies agree that communism was deeply, and utterly flawed and caused millions of innocent people to die needlessly. If you want to be a part of something that is actually good then become a humanist. Got the usual for you guys. This time it’s human nature, commies killed billions, ad-hominem, and Argument ad populum

Got the usual for you guys. This time it’s human nature, commies killed billions, ad-hominem, and Argument ad populum

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Guy on DeviantArt forums books a date with a Thesaurus to try and seem smart while being homophobic on a thread about gay marriage: No, I don't admit that at all. I'm against gay marriage because it is legally impossible according to the definitions under Common Law, and traditionally improper, according to the institution, and the purpose there-behind, which has persisted since before the Bible, and in places where Christian Religion, or Bible, never had gotten to at the time in which it was practiced. no ad hominem? really? Personal Attack (Argumentum Ad Hominem, literally, "argument toward the man." Also called "Poisoning the Well"): Attacking or praising the people who make an argument, rather than discussing the argument itself. This practice is fallacious because the personal character of an individual is logically irrelevant to the truth or falseness of the argument itself. The statement "2+2=4" is true regardless if it is stated by criminals, congressmen, or pastors. There are two subcategories: (1) Abusive: To argue that proposals, assertions, or arguments must be false or dangerous because they originate with atheists, Christians, Muslims, communists, capitalists, the John Birch Society, Catholics, anti-Catholics, racists, anti-racists, feminists, misogynists (or any other group) is fallacious. This persuasion comes from irrational psychological transference rather than from an appeal to evidence or logic concerning the issue at hand. This is similar to the genetic fallacy , and only an anti-intellectual would argue otherwise incompatible with the scrintures is such ent should accept or reject an argument because of circumstances in his or her life. If one's adversary is a clergyman, suircumstan he should accept a particular ar (2) Circumstantial: To rgue that an ent because not to do so would be nt's special circumstances have no control over the truth or fallacy. To arg that, because the reader is a Republican or Democrat, she must vote for a specific measure is likewise tantial fallacy. The in some ways. If you are untruth of a specific contention. The speaker or writer must find additional evidence beyond that to make a strong case. This is also similar to the genetic fallacy must avoid circumstantial fallacies. college student who wants to learn rational thought, you simply Beside that: Straw man, Argumentum ad Populum Bandwagon Approach and Snob approach, Begging the Question, Hasty Generalization, False Cause, Irrelevant Conclusion, Either/Or False Dichotomy, and Stacking the Deck Fallacies Reply Devious Comments (Add yours) Newest First Nested 25 Professional Digital Artist You do realize laws and social norms change with the times right? Back in the 1920's it was socially unacceptable to be black and there were laws stating black people must t at the back of the bus and use segregated water fountains and toilets. Reply Gay marriage is legal in some places so your copypasta is moot point. Argument from adverse consequences, Begging the Question, Irrelevant conclusion Red Herring and Straw Man, Faulty Analogy, and Complex Question Fallacies. Besides an all around general attitude of mockery and disrespect. Yes, laws and social norms do change (so what?). That doesn't necessarily mean that those changes are ideal, or correct. Quite literally, by legal definition, Marriage requires consummation to be valid. This is a principle that has held for so long as human history has been recorded. We have no examples of any cultures anywhere on earth where marriage (if it existed at all as an institution there) did NOT nsummation. by legal definition, is sexual intercourse; coitus. It is then therefore, impossible, legally, and by definition, that a marriage between anything other than male and female, can be held as valid, legally, or by definition. Plenty of cultures had homosexuals, and homosexual relationships, but Not ANY of them, pretended that it was anything other than what it actually was- non-marital homosexual relationship. Marriage is NOT about love. It is about coitus, that sexual intercourse which produces progeny, which progeny are, by reason of that marriage, given family and inheritance. Reply Professional Digital Artist Just because you booked a date with a thesaurus doesn't mean you're right bud. </sub? Reply Guy on DeviantArt forums books a date with a Thesaurus to try and seem smart while being homophobic on a thread about gay marriage

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Roman's best friend: O Tombstones of Ancient Roman Dogs sylviessylk: peashooter85: FOUDISIVMNNMESNA CTN CATE LLAE OVN DOP HMODICE PIPI/MAMHIITRAIPHTE FATO Aeolidis tumulum festivae cerne catellae, quam dolui inmodice raptam mihi praepete fato. Behold the tomb of Aeolis, the cheerful little dog, whose loss to fleeting fate pained me beyond measure. Conc. Min. BB. AA, C., divieto di riproduzione Raeda[r]um custos numquam latravit inepte. nunc silet et cineres vindicat um- bra suos. This guard of the coaches never barked unsuitably. Now he is silent and his shade protects his ashes. QVAMDVLCISENITISTIO IAIMBENICJ QVAECVMVITER ETINSINVIACEBAT SOMNICONSCIA SEM PER EICVBILIS OFACT VMMALEMYIAQVODPER ISTI LAIRARESMODOSIQVISI DCIB/RET RIVALISDOMINAELICENIIOSA ♡ C-FACIVMMMLEANÍAOVODPERISTI ALTVAIMMTENETINSCIANASEPVLCRW NEC SEVIREPOTESNECINSILIRE NECBLANDIS MIFIJKORSIB REID: Quam dulcis fuit ista quam benigna quae cum viveret in sinu iacebat somni conscia semper et cubilis o factum male Myia quod peristi latrares modo si quis adcubaret rivalis dominae licentiosa o factum male Myia quod peristi altum iam tenet insciam sepulcrum nec sevire potes nec insilire nec blandis mihi morsib(us) renides. How sweet and friendly she was! While she was alive she used to lie in the lap, always sharing sleep and bed. What a shame, Midge, that you have died! You would only bark if some rival took the liberty of lying up against your mistress. What a shame, Midge, that you have died! The depths of the grave now hold you and you know nothing about it. You cannot go wild nor jump on me, and you do not bare your teeth at me with bites that do not hurt. STENOSTIA CATELIA IOR AUTETRIBVS ONDANIS OSEVLAMILLE TACULAREMEO TESEDE MER ENTEM BVSITSEMEIS ASIMVLAIETARATAM AIHIDELICIAS ICERE edr. it Portavi lacrimis madidus te nostra catella, quod feci lustris laetior ante tribus. ergo mihi, Patrice, iam non dabis osculla mille nec poteris collo grata cubare meo. tristis marmorea posui te sede merentem et iunxi semper manib(us) ipse meis, morib(us) argutis hominem simulare paratam; perdidimus quales, hei mihi, delicias. tu dulcis, Patrice, nostras attingere mensas consueras, gremio poscere blanda cibos, lambere tu calicem lingua rapiente solebas quem tibi saepe meae sustinuere manus, accipere et lassum cauda gaudente frequenter Bedewed with tears I have carried you, our little dog, as in happier circumstances I did fifteen years ago. So now, Patrice, you will no longer give me a thousand kisses, nor will you be able to lie affectionately round my neck. You were a good dog, and in sorrow I have placed you in a marble tomb, and I have united you forever to myself when I die. You readily matched a human with your clever ways; alas, what a pet we have lost! You, sweet Patrice, were in the habit of joining us at table and fawningly asking for food in our lap, you were accustomed to lick with your greedy tongue the cup which my hands often held for you and regularly to welcome your tired master with wagging tail. Source: Electronic Archive of Greek and Latin Epigraphy I just thought I'd let you know, OP, that I am now SOBBING over dogs that have been dead for hundreds of years. TAVINOM YENTETO SCTOCNCTOTCAKARO EXNOYCOYCATROCEICHMEAONKETOUE ECTO OPONKTLTOR NIONOSERTCOMUE 411 "His owner has buried the dog Parthenope, that he played with, in gratitude for this happiness (Mutual) love is rewarding, like the one for this dog: Having been a friend to my owner, I have deserved this grave. Looking at this, find yourself a worthy friend who is both ready to love while you are still alive and also will care for your body (when you die)." Transcription & grave in Archaeological Museum - Istanbul (via yukinojou) Roman's best friend
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