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sleepyowlet: silverscreenx: sleepyowlet: antifaintl: Reminder. To all the absolute walnuts in the notes: No, sitting down to talk with a Nazi if you don’t know they’re a Nazi doesn’t make you a Nazi. Neither is trying to talk one out of their mindset. I’m not sure if you’re genuinely confused about this or just sea-lioning, but on the off-chance you’re sincere: The quote is about people being complacent and accepting of Nazis in social settings, much in the same way that rapists feel validated by rape jokes. It’s about denying Nazis social validation and acceptance, which is a good and necessary thing. It’s about putting up a stink at family gatherings by refusing to share a meal with uncle Harry after he makes a joke about “some people” needing to be gassed. It’s about standing up to members of your social group spouting antisemitic or racist shit. It’s about challenging them. And yes, trying to talk them out of it is a valid way to do that. But if you can’t, cut ties. It means that if you are complacent, you are part of the problem. So we’re supposed to give them a victim mentality that will sooner or later evolve into a revenge fantasy and culminate in actual revenge and criminal behavior? You really don’t understand that all this “punch Nazis” jargon does is making evil grow in hiding, until it’s strong enough to fight back? And it’s not even a saying here. The good Doctor just made up some ideological bullshit. Don’t try to add nuance to a blanket statement after the fact. Hello. Hi. East German here. We actually do say that. And…you are aware that they already are violent? That they kill people as is? Remember the Zwickauer Terrortrio? Punching them doesn’t make them worse than they already are - Nazis are always violent because their very ideology already is violence. But you know what punching them achieves? It makes them afraid. It makes it so that they don’t dare to try to climb on the herring barrel and shout shit at crowds. It makes it harder for them to recruit followers openly. Punching Nazis and openly ridiculing and shaming them makes sure their bullshit doesn’t get normalised, aka suitable for polite conversation which, as I said, the quote is about. Make Nazis afraid again. : Dr. Jens Foell Following @fMRI guy Replying to @Trancewith Me As we say in Germany, if there's a Nazi at the table and 10 other people sitting there talking to him, you got a table with 11 Nazis. 7:18 PM-13 Feb 2018 2,004 Retweets 5,180 Likes sleepyowlet: silverscreenx: sleepyowlet: antifaintl: Reminder. To all the absolute walnuts in the notes: No, sitting down to talk with a Nazi if you don’t know they’re a Nazi doesn’t make you a Nazi. Neither is trying to talk one out of their mindset. I’m not sure if you’re genuinely confused about this or just sea-lioning, but on the off-chance you’re sincere: The quote is about people being complacent and accepting of Nazis in social settings, much in the same way that rapists feel validated by rape jokes. It’s about denying Nazis social validation and acceptance, which is a good and necessary thing. It’s about putting up a stink at family gatherings by refusing to share a meal with uncle Harry after he makes a joke about “some people” needing to be gassed. It’s about standing up to members of your social group spouting antisemitic or racist shit. It’s about challenging them. And yes, trying to talk them out of it is a valid way to do that. But if you can’t, cut ties. It means that if you are complacent, you are part of the problem. So we’re supposed to give them a victim mentality that will sooner or later evolve into a revenge fantasy and culminate in actual revenge and criminal behavior? You really don’t understand that all this “punch Nazis” jargon does is making evil grow in hiding, until it’s strong enough to fight back? And it’s not even a saying here. The good Doctor just made up some ideological bullshit. Don’t try to add nuance to a blanket statement after the fact. Hello. Hi. East German here. We actually do say that. And…you are aware that they already are violent? That they kill people as is? Remember the Zwickauer Terrortrio? Punching them doesn’t make them worse than they already are - Nazis are always violent because their very ideology already is violence. But you know what punching them achieves? It makes them afraid. It makes it so that they don’t dare to try to climb on the herring barrel and shout shit at crowds. It makes it harder for them to recruit followers openly. Punching Nazis and openly ridiculing and shaming them makes sure their bullshit doesn’t get normalised, aka suitable for polite conversation which, as I said, the quote is about. Make Nazis afraid again.
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angstbotfic: sleepydumpling: kick-in-des-moines: kuroba101: slappedyak: notbrokejustspent: Dear tumblr consider this Tim sees a racist slur being used in the youtube comments section. He ignores it, and moves on with his life. Tim watches a bulletin on the news about a transwoman violently assaulted in her home. He ignores it, and moves on with his life.  Tim hears an employee at work using homophobic language at a gay co-worker. He ignores it, and moves on with his life. Tim sees a woman getting verbally harassed by a group of men on the street on his way to work. He ignores it, and moves on with his life. Tim can ignore it because his life isn’t dominated by things like racism, sexism, homophobia or transphobia.  Silence. Is. Compliance.  Fuck you Tim. You can try to make the world a better place. It’s funny because people who say that don’t think it’s reasonable to get offended by rape jokes or transphobic jokes but then will have tantrums over jokes about white men. I’m glad someone addressed this. well that escalated quickly.  lots of slippage here between “offense” and “inequality and/or violence.”  Category A: if it JUST offends you, like someone’s taste in tsatskes might offend you, make like Elsa and let it go.  Category B: if it is actively perpetuating harm, particularly to minoritized populations, say something.  people who get pissed about “SJWs” think B things are A things, are just personal taste things, and therefore that people who react as if they are B things are overreacting. that’s a problem. and maybe that’s what this post was about, saying A but actually what they were talking about is B. but what it looks like in the reblog chain is taking an A thing and treating it like a B thing. and that causes problems of its own (though less severe, obviously, in the grand scheme of things).  : This is Tim Tim is on the internet He see's something that offends himm Tim-ignores it ana moves on WIth his life Good move Tim angstbotfic: sleepydumpling: kick-in-des-moines: kuroba101: slappedyak: notbrokejustspent: Dear tumblr consider this Tim sees a racist slur being used in the youtube comments section. He ignores it, and moves on with his life. Tim watches a bulletin on the news about a transwoman violently assaulted in her home. He ignores it, and moves on with his life.  Tim hears an employee at work using homophobic language at a gay co-worker. He ignores it, and moves on with his life. Tim sees a woman getting verbally harassed by a group of men on the street on his way to work. He ignores it, and moves on with his life. Tim can ignore it because his life isn’t dominated by things like racism, sexism, homophobia or transphobia.  Silence. Is. Compliance.  Fuck you Tim. You can try to make the world a better place. It’s funny because people who say that don’t think it’s reasonable to get offended by rape jokes or transphobic jokes but then will have tantrums over jokes about white men. I’m glad someone addressed this. well that escalated quickly.  lots of slippage here between “offense” and “inequality and/or violence.”  Category A: if it JUST offends you, like someone’s taste in tsatskes might offend you, make like Elsa and let it go.  Category B: if it is actively perpetuating harm, particularly to minoritized populations, say something.  people who get pissed about “SJWs” think B things are A things, are just personal taste things, and therefore that people who react as if they are B things are overreacting. that’s a problem. and maybe that’s what this post was about, saying A but actually what they were talking about is B. but what it looks like in the reblog chain is taking an A thing and treating it like a B thing. and that causes problems of its own (though less severe, obviously, in the grand scheme of things). 
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<p><a href="http://it-goes-both-ways.tumblr.com/post/102806895893/tenaflyviper-moitesquib-when-i-tell-you-to" class="tumblr_blog">it-goes-both-ways</a>:</p> <blockquote><p><a class="tumblr_blog" href="http://tenaflyviper.tumblr.com/post/102752603735/moitesquib-when-i-tell-you-to-stop-making-rape">tenaflyviper</a>:</p> <blockquote> <p><a class="tumblr_blog" href="http://moitesquib.tumblr.com/post/102410696963/when-i-tell-you-to-stop-making-rape-jokes-i">moitesquib</a>:</p> <blockquote> <p>when i tell you to stop making rape jokes, i shouldn’t have to use my own rape as a reason why</p> <p>when i ask you to please stop making moves one me, i shouldn’t have to use my own abuse as a reason why</p> <p>when i tell you how your actions towards girls are harmful and unfair, i shouldn’t nee to tell you my horrible experiences as a reason why.</p> <p>it should be enough i asked you nicely to stop.</p> </blockquote> <p>Okay, for starters…</p> <ol><li><strong>What you just posted has<em> nothing</em> to do with the image.</strong>  The image is referring to the fact that <a href="http://www.reddit.com/r/KotakuInAction/comments/2jjtv7/brianna_wus_jigsaw_threat_macro_exposed_image_is/">Brianna Wu was caught red-handed as having sent death threats <em>to herself</em></a>, and refuses to show anything that may prove otherwise.  This also goes hand-in-hand with the numerous instances of completely made-up bullshit that floats around on this site that later ends up being completely disproven, such as <a href="http://untrue-posts.tumblr.com/post/80240672599/dropmycumberbritches-georgian-first-grader">the alleged case of the little girl in Georgia sexually assaulted on the playground</a>:  Not only was it <a href="http://hedgehogula.tumblr.com/post/80253960733/just-a-short-3-image-story-about-keeping-it-real">a lie</a> (which <a href="http://tenaflyviper.tumblr.com/post/92716174150/leighvemealone-i-admit-it-i-lied-about-the">even the blog owner later admitted to</a>), but it has since been found that <a href="http://www.reddit.com/r/TumblrInAction/wiki/satiretumblrs#wiki_vegetable.28igh.29s.21">the blog it originated from was a troll blog to begin with</a>.<br/><br/>People have a right to be wary of the claims of women, just as much as they have a right to be wary of the claims of ANYONE, <em>regardless</em> of gender.  It has nothing to do with “sexism” or “misogyny”, as much as the fact that being a woman (as designated at birth, or otherwise) is <em>not</em> an excuse for facing the consequences of one’s actions, nor an excuse to avoid VALIDATING ONE’S CLAIMS.  And, as a woman, I’m frankly not at all happy about people having to BE more wary of women these days, simply because some women have decided to abuse the term of “feminism” as a vehicle through which to demand unnecessary changes on the grounds of little more than glorified fear mongering and propaganda.<br/><br/></li> <li><strong>As cruel as this may sound, you have <em>zero</em> jurisdiction over what other people are “allowed” to joke or talk about. </strong> Yes, you can tell someone to stop, but <em>that doesn’t mean it’s going to happen</em>.  One of these days, you’re going to have to learn to ignore things that bother you, or simply remove yourself from that situation, because <strong>real life does not have an “ignore” feature</strong>.  The best thing you can do for yourself is to just get up, and walk away.  You leave what is bothering you behind you, and hopefully, that may also get the message across that you don’t wish to hear what they’re saying.<br/><br/>If we tried to sanitize the world of everything that someone, somewhere, deemed “offensive”, or anything that made them “uncomfortable”, there would likely be no world left to live in.  There are even people in this world genuinely afraid of the depth marker lines painted on the bottom of swimming pools.  I get weirded out if I have to drink out of a clear glass with images on the outside that can be seen from the inside, even though I’m fully aware of how incredibly <em>stupid</em> that is (perhaps megalohydrothalassophobia is partly to blame).   I’m incredibly uncomfortable around large dogs, but you don’t see me going around screaming at dog owners to put their pets to sleep, nor demanding that printed drinking glasses should no longer be manufactured.  <strong>What happened to you is a travesty that cannot be undone, but you must understand that you share this earth with over 7 billion other human beings, and they are all different than you.</strong>  This includes people that use humor as a coping mechanism, in order to alleviate the fear they have.  If you can joke about something, you strip it of the power to control you, and determine how you live your life.</li> </ol><p>Bad things happen, and they often happen to good people.  Hell, my older sister literally exists BECAUSE of rape.  However, we simply cannot be trying to determine how other human beings are able to express themselves.  Hurt feelings are not justification for such censorship.  <strong>Our rights do NOT end where your feelings begin.</strong>  <strong>Constitutional rights exist BECAUSE of feelings.  Rights exist in order to keep feelings from interfering with life, liberty, and LAW.</strong></p> <p><strong>When we see people say things such as “Your rights end where my feelings begin”, it is the first step towards going back to a time where people could be put to death simply because their neighbor accused them of witchcraft.</strong></p> </blockquote> <p>What’s the betting that whenever she hears people on SVU/CSI type programmes try to bully suspects into confessing or gloat at those found guilty by teasing them about their future cell-mate “Bubba” and tell him to keep his back to the wall, don’t drop the soap etc she either laughs or doesn’t even notice? Because the brutal rapes of men that account for more than half the victims, are so accepted, genuinely encouraged, and ignored by the prison system that practically no but the victims would be sensitive to it. Worst of all, those in for petty/victimless crimes (such as smoking a joint for pain relief) and the falsely accused make up a disproportionate number of victims since they’d be the least prepared for a violent environment, so it’s likely they did nothing that anyone could use to justify their trauma.</p> <p>Are people just supposed to know when someone’s interested? Or is she advocating that only women be allowed to make the first move? Given where the feminist lobby is going, they’ll only be the only ones allowed to make any moves at all, basically the equivalent of legally requiring men do the starfish. And if no one is allowed to ask anyone out for fear of “triggering” them and silent cues are rape, how the hell are relationships supposed to work?</p> <p>It makes sense to want to know why something is supposedly offensive or wrong, that way they can correct it, classic human behaviour to learn and adapt. If they can’t even be arsed telling people why they should stop, they’ll have no reason to and so, unless they are prepared to stop doing doing everything that someone says they don’t like up to and including breathing, will continue doing it. I can extrapolate from this that they don’t want it to stop.</p> <p>My sister and I both exist because of rape as well, mother had a thing for unconscious men and used people’s apathy towards male victims to brag about it without censure.</p></blockquote>: INEED FEMINISM BECAUSE PEOPLE ASKMETO BACK UP MY CLAIMS WITH ACTUAL PROOR AND THEY SHOULDN'T BE ALLOWED TO DO THAT <p><a href="http://it-goes-both-ways.tumblr.com/post/102806895893/tenaflyviper-moitesquib-when-i-tell-you-to" class="tumblr_blog">it-goes-both-ways</a>:</p> <blockquote><p><a class="tumblr_blog" href="http://tenaflyviper.tumblr.com/post/102752603735/moitesquib-when-i-tell-you-to-stop-making-rape">tenaflyviper</a>:</p> <blockquote> <p><a class="tumblr_blog" href="http://moitesquib.tumblr.com/post/102410696963/when-i-tell-you-to-stop-making-rape-jokes-i">moitesquib</a>:</p> <blockquote> <p>when i tell you to stop making rape jokes, i shouldn’t have to use my own rape as a reason why</p> <p>when i ask you to please stop making moves one me, i shouldn’t have to use my own abuse as a reason why</p> <p>when i tell you how your actions towards girls are harmful and unfair, i shouldn’t nee to tell you my horrible experiences as a reason why.</p> <p>it should be enough i asked you nicely to stop.</p> </blockquote> <p>Okay, for starters…</p> <ol><li><strong>What you just posted has<em> nothing</em> to do with the image.</strong>  The image is referring to the fact that <a href="http://www.reddit.com/r/KotakuInAction/comments/2jjtv7/brianna_wus_jigsaw_threat_macro_exposed_image_is/">Brianna Wu was caught red-handed as having sent death threats <em>to herself</em></a>, and refuses to show anything that may prove otherwise.  This also goes hand-in-hand with the numerous instances of completely made-up bullshit that floats around on this site that later ends up being completely disproven, such as <a href="http://untrue-posts.tumblr.com/post/80240672599/dropmycumberbritches-georgian-first-grader">the alleged case of the little girl in Georgia sexually assaulted on the playground</a>:  Not only was it <a href="http://hedgehogula.tumblr.com/post/80253960733/just-a-short-3-image-story-about-keeping-it-real">a lie</a> (which <a href="http://tenaflyviper.tumblr.com/post/92716174150/leighvemealone-i-admit-it-i-lied-about-the">even the blog owner later admitted to</a>), but it has since been found that <a href="http://www.reddit.com/r/TumblrInAction/wiki/satiretumblrs#wiki_vegetable.28igh.29s.21">the blog it originated from was a troll blog to begin with</a>.<br/><br/>People have a right to be wary of the claims of women, just as much as they have a right to be wary of the claims of ANYONE, <em>regardless</em> of gender.  It has nothing to do with “sexism” or “misogyny”, as much as the fact that being a woman (as designated at birth, or otherwise) is <em>not</em> an excuse for facing the consequences of one’s actions, nor an excuse to avoid VALIDATING ONE’S CLAIMS.  And, as a woman, I’m frankly not at all happy about people having to BE more wary of women these days, simply because some women have decided to abuse the term of “feminism” as a vehicle through which to demand unnecessary changes on the grounds of little more than glorified fear mongering and propaganda.<br/><br/></li> <li><strong>As cruel as this may sound, you have <em>zero</em> jurisdiction over what other people are “allowed” to joke or talk about. </strong> Yes, you can tell someone to stop, but <em>that doesn’t mean it’s going to happen</em>.  One of these days, you’re going to have to learn to ignore things that bother you, or simply remove yourself from that situation, because <strong>real life does not have an “ignore” feature</strong>.  The best thing you can do for yourself is to just get up, and walk away.  You leave what is bothering you behind you, and hopefully, that may also get the message across that you don’t wish to hear what they’re saying.<br/><br/>If we tried to sanitize the world of everything that someone, somewhere, deemed “offensive”, or anything that made them “uncomfortable”, there would likely be no world left to live in.  There are even people in this world genuinely afraid of the depth marker lines painted on the bottom of swimming pools.  I get weirded out if I have to drink out of a clear glass with images on the outside that can be seen from the inside, even though I’m fully aware of how incredibly <em>stupid</em> that is (perhaps megalohydrothalassophobia is partly to blame).   I’m incredibly uncomfortable around large dogs, but you don’t see me going around screaming at dog owners to put their pets to sleep, nor demanding that printed drinking glasses should no longer be manufactured.  <strong>What happened to you is a travesty that cannot be undone, but you must understand that you share this earth with over 7 billion other human beings, and they are all different than you.</strong>  This includes people that use humor as a coping mechanism, in order to alleviate the fear they have.  If you can joke about something, you strip it of the power to control you, and determine how you live your life.</li> </ol><p>Bad things happen, and they often happen to good people.  Hell, my older sister literally exists BECAUSE of rape.  However, we simply cannot be trying to determine how other human beings are able to express themselves.  Hurt feelings are not justification for such censorship.  <strong>Our rights do NOT end where your feelings begin.</strong>  <strong>Constitutional rights exist BECAUSE of feelings.  Rights exist in order to keep feelings from interfering with life, liberty, and LAW.</strong></p> <p><strong>When we see people say things such as “Your rights end where my feelings begin”, it is the first step towards going back to a time where people could be put to death simply because their neighbor accused them of witchcraft.</strong></p> </blockquote> <p>What’s the betting that whenever she hears people on SVU/CSI type programmes try to bully suspects into confessing or gloat at those found guilty by teasing them about their future cell-mate “Bubba” and tell him to keep his back to the wall, don’t drop the soap etc she either laughs or doesn’t even notice? Because the brutal rapes of men that account for more than half the victims, are so accepted, genuinely encouraged, and ignored by the prison system that practically no but the victims would be sensitive to it. Worst of all, those in for petty/victimless crimes (such as smoking a joint for pain relief) and the falsely accused make up a disproportionate number of victims since they’d be the least prepared for a violent environment, so it’s likely they did nothing that anyone could use to justify their trauma.</p> <p>Are people just supposed to know when someone’s interested? Or is she advocating that only women be allowed to make the first move? Given where the feminist lobby is going, they’ll only be the only ones allowed to make any moves at all, basically the equivalent of legally requiring men do the starfish. And if no one is allowed to ask anyone out for fear of “triggering” them and silent cues are rape, how the hell are relationships supposed to work?</p> <p>It makes sense to want to know why something is supposedly offensive or wrong, that way they can correct it, classic human behaviour to learn and adapt. If they can’t even be arsed telling people why they should stop, they’ll have no reason to and so, unless they are prepared to stop doing doing everything that someone says they don’t like up to and including breathing, will continue doing it. I can extrapolate from this that they don’t want it to stop.</p> <p>My sister and I both exist because of rape as well, mother had a thing for unconscious men and used people’s apathy towards male victims to brag about it without censure.</p></blockquote>
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