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Perception of Persephone: Follow i keep seeing these posts romanticizing Peresephone and Hades. like hozier and florence welch should duet cause they're like persephone and hades. or cute little myth aus or fan art and edits of people's faves styled like them and it's like this: Persephone wasn't some young girl in love with a bad boy. She was fucking abducted and raped by hades. her mother mourned the loss of her child her time spent in the underworld wasa myth about why plants die in winter. when she is depicted in art the subject is usually 'The Rape of Persephone' that shit isn't romantic. that is fucked up. x hades #that shit is fucked #read a book 1 note that is fucked up ked #read a book I'm not sure whether I should laugh or cry Is OP aware that oh so many books exist on this subject? And that almost universally the ones authored by people with doctorates in classicism and mythology disagree with OP? Including the... epic hymn that first told this story? You know what's in that original source material.. right? Abducted, yes Demeter mourned? Definitely Rape, no abduct So here's some info on Ancient Greek wedding traditions which (oh my stars and garters! included abducting the bride. With the father's permission, which Hades got before he took her away Here's a whole book on the subject of Ancient Greek wedding custom and its conflation with funeral rites. (Which sounds a bit like Hades and Persephone to anyone who's ever dabbled in things like explication and context) Here's a link to another book that talks about Persephone's rise to power as a result of her willingly eating the pomegranate seeds Oh shit!l Here's a whole bunch of myths and hymns that talk about her Queen of the Holy pug tacos Batman! Here's another book about the myth focusing on the seasonal religious and liminal rites WHICH TAKE PLACE IN THE DRY SUMMER (not the fucking winter), which you know if you read a book Way to go, OP All these fucking books! What could anyone possibly do with them all?1?171? Do you eat books to absorb their powers instead of read them? A better guess would be that you got into a moral panic over the name of a certain Renaissance statue and maybe after reading three pages of Edith Hamilton or the first paragraph of a Wikipedia article. And then used that to castigate and demean not only the people who actually take their limited time to create gorgeous art but also to denigrate modern day worshippers of Persephone and Hades? Maybe next time, you stringy plece of over-boiled okra, you might want to take your own advice and pick up a book, instead of reducing the feared and respected Queen of the Underworld who held power equal to or in many interpretations GREATER than her husband into a meaningless pastiche of female disenfranchisement that you seemingly plucked from your own ass. JESUS CHRIST THANK YOU Perception of Persephone
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<p><a class="tumblr_blog" href="http://aceattorneysforsocialjustice.tumblr.com/post/105823410358/claudiaboleyn-what-is-it-like-being-a">aceattorneysforsocialjustice</a>:</p> <blockquote> <p><a class="tumblr_blog" href="http://claudiaboleyn.tumblr.com/post/104776451086/what-is-it-like-being-a-known-ish-feminist">claudiaboleyn</a>:</p> <blockquote> <p><strong><a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ftNFpdqnNaE">&ldquo;What is it like being a known-ish feminist online?&quot; </a></strong></p> <p><em>a video by <strong><a href="https://twitter.com/ClaudiaBoleyn">Claudia Boleyn </a></strong></em></p> <p><em>[closed captioned]</em></p> <p><em>**********************************************************************************************</em></p> <p>You asked, I answered. </p> <p>People have wanted me to make another feminism video for ages so I have indeed returned to my evil feminist killjoy ways for this one. </p> <p>I talk about man-hating. Also misandry.</p> <p>Yes, I went there. I really did. </p> <p>Enjoy! </p> <p>xxx</p> <p>(TW: mentions of rape threats, harassment, graphic language)</p> <p>**********************************************************************************************</p> <p><em><a href="https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC-p8Eaq7vTezQH_fCl2qegQ">My YouTube Channel</a></em></p> <p><em><a href="http://claudiaboleyn.tumblr.com/">My tumblr</a></em></p> <p><em><a href="https://twitter.com/ClaudiaBoleyn">My twitter </a></em></p> <p>**********************************************************************************************</p> </blockquote> <p class="MsoNormalCxSpFirst"><img alt="" src="https://78.media.tumblr.com/c0b53dac75974784e0f5940e553f45db/tumblr_inline_ngygqgMEYe1stevpt.png"/></p> <p class="MsoNormalCxSpFirst"><img alt="" src="https://78.media.tumblr.com/1e777a60e90ef2af195025ab033fb7d6/tumblr_inline_nfx4szqbK31stevpt.gif"/></p> <p class="MsoNormalCxSpMiddle">First allow me to say with no uncertainty that the people who send you hate and suggestive messages are disgusting. They only wish to be cruel.</p> <p class="MsoNormalCxSpMiddle">1:58. Just to clarify the point about men not being necessary, I assume you are referring to <a href="http://genetics.thetech.org/ask-a-geneticist/imprinting">recent studies</a> which suggest that DNA can be changed to allow two people of the same sex to conceive a child. This is done by altering a set of DNA so it more resembles a male set. This has been done in mice, however the results have not been extremely promising and it will be a long time before human applications can be considered.</p> <p class="MsoNormalCxSpMiddle">6:20. What anti-social justice warrior people on tumblr do is point out the <a href="http://aceattorneysforsocialjustice.tumblr.com/post/104638274643/galifreyy-you-dont-hate-sjws-you-hate">hypocrisy that SJW’s partake in</a>. When the radical people get pointed out we do not make baseless judgements on the entirety of the site. What we will do is comment on how often we are the only people correcting information and calling out these radicals.</p> <p class="MsoNormalCxSpMiddle">9:40. It is interesting to see you advocate for the challenging of information because from what I have seen you do not respond to criticism well or at all. <a href="http://claudiaboleyn.tumblr.com/post/94653989991/why-dont-you-do-a-post-about-the-best-male#notes">Even when you are criticised by women</a>. Another example from laurablues who said “I found your answer excessively aggressive. Nothing you do is your job, yet you do what you feel right. But there are certainly less aggressive ways of expressing that, especially given the tone of this ask.” Found in the notes of the post linked.</p> <p class="MsoNormalCxSpMiddle">10:30. So, you are basing the validity of a person’s argument on a physical characteristic they cannot control? How bigoted of you. <a href="http://www.avoiceformen.com/updates/evil-pandering-a-response-to-claudia-boleyn/">The video concerning the nazi comment can be found here</a>. He is responding a video of yours where you attempt to disprove misconceptions of feminism. If you actually watch the video (26th minute) He points out that the Nazis, evil bastards that they were, would have done horrible things to you. His laughter seems to be a response to your argument as opposed to actually making a joke about it. Is his laughter inappropriate? Yes absolutely, it is misplaced and it does lower the professionalism of the video however, I don’t think he was trying to be professional. Disclaimer I do not agree with everything he says in the video.</p> <p class="MsoNormalCxSpMiddle"><a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZantzARkMwM">Here is a video</a> of someone responding to one of your videos about the Santa Barbara shooting. NOTE IN THE VIDEO HE DOES USE SLURS WHICH I DO NOT AGREE WITH.  He shows his face and I don’t think he has a creepy voice, will you respond to him now? Also as he didn’t mention it I will take this opportunity to inform you about the MRM. They do in fact care about all men, the avioceformen website has stories of men’s issues from around the world including<a href="http://www.avoiceformen.com/allnews/male-fertility-control-fertility-control-male-pill/"> a new contraceptive for men being produced in Indonesia</a> and a <a href="http://www.avoiceformen.com/allnews/man-24-is-honor-killed-does-not-count-as-honor-killing-technically/">story about an Iranian man being killed</a>, something else you don’t seem to be aware of is that there are women in the MRM for example<a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eZgr6939MPU"> Karen Straughan.</a> </p> <p><span>13:20 No matter how many times you say it in a video Claudia, you can’t change the fact that feminism does hate men. </span><a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qodygTkTUYM">Attempts have been made to shut down shelters.</a> Feminists have <a href="http://www.legislature.mi.gov/documents/2011-2012/billanalysis/house/htm/2011-HLA-5328-3.HTM">fought against a paternity fraud law.</a> <span><a href="http://anescapedconviction.tumblr.com/post/82950097707/imminentdeathsyndrome-read-the-full-paper-here">Stopped men’s shelters from </a></span><a href="http://anescapedconviction.tumblr.com/post/82950097707/imminentdeathsyndrome-read-the-full-paper-here">receiving</a><span><a href="http://anescapedconviction.tumblr.com/post/82950097707/imminentdeathsyndrome-read-the-full-paper-here"> funding</a>.<a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iARHCxAMAO0">Prevented meetings about male suicide</a>. <a href="http://jjnuzz.tumblr.com/post/97906097359/your-playlist-is-perf-but-why-are-you-for">And so much more.</a> </span><span>Hatred does not solve anything Claudia, now I am 100% for hating someone who has wronged you, that type of anger is understandable. However hating all men for the actions of a minority is sexism, something you are supposed to be against.</span></p> <p class="MsoNormalCxSpMiddle">13:43. There is no patriarchy in western countries. Women can vote, have whatever job they want, run for office, own land, receive an education. <a href="http://thoughtcatalog.com/janet-bloomfield/2014/08/5-legal-rights-women-have-that-men-dont/">In fact women have more rights than men.</a></p> <p class="MsoNormalCxSpMiddle">13:54 <a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1oqyrflOQFc">Men are not paid more than women for doing the same work. The “wage gap” comes from a difference in choices. </a></p> <p class="MsoNormalCxSpMiddle">14:09. Despite the fact that women hold political positions and are<a href="http://data.worldbank.org/indicator/SP.POP.TOTL.FE.ZS"> the majority in many countries including the UK and USA</a>?</p> <p class="MsoNormalCxSpMiddle">14:15 See links for point at 13:20. There is no rape culture in the western world. There might be rape culture on Fox News sure but they also don’t believe in global warming so they’re hardly a fair standard of humanity. In fact often we live in the exact opposite of a rape culture as you describe it. There have been numerous cases of <a href="http://america.aljazeera.com/watch/shows/america-tonight/articles/2014/11/12/mothers-of-accusedcollegerapistsfightback.html">men being falsely accused</a>  <a href="http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2014/feb/06/coronation-street-actor-william-roache-acquitted">based on nothing but the testimony of others.</a> Rape cases on college campuses are set so the <a href="http://studentactivism.net/2011/07/21/preponderance-of-the-evidence/">lowest standard of evidence</a> is needed for a conviction and the defendant often as no time or ability to defend himself. <a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PJYvMXjcd9I&amp;index=1&amp;list=PLytTJqkSQqtr7BqC1Jf4nv3g2yDfu7Xmd">Recently several men were accused of rape</a> and <a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YhxYw9t_XMc">they were dealt with severely.</a> </p> <p class="MsoNormalCxSpMiddle">15:00 Misandry is no joke and to describe it as one is ignorant. See links at 13:20 again.</p> <p class="MsoNormalCxSpMiddle">17:00 Some men are, this does not mean the male gender is doing these things. You only like men if they are willing to identify with your limiting world view and some you won’t even let them have the same title as you? Why are feminists trying to separate people I thought you were for intersectionality? MRA’s don’t worry about what to call their supporters they’re too busy focusing on real problems.</p> <p class="MsoNormalCxSpMiddle"><img alt="" src="https://78.media.tumblr.com/a57fc032c3117279a7d7bc2ed826d713/tumblr_inline_ngng6z4HLy1stevpt.gif"/></p> <p class="MsoNormalCxSpMiddle">I put these points forward Claudia so you can answer them and hopefully better yourself, the question is will you take your own advice? </p> </blockquote>: <p><a class="tumblr_blog" href="http://aceattorneysforsocialjustice.tumblr.com/post/105823410358/claudiaboleyn-what-is-it-like-being-a">aceattorneysforsocialjustice</a>:</p> <blockquote> <p><a class="tumblr_blog" href="http://claudiaboleyn.tumblr.com/post/104776451086/what-is-it-like-being-a-known-ish-feminist">claudiaboleyn</a>:</p> <blockquote> <p><strong><a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ftNFpdqnNaE">&ldquo;What is it like being a known-ish feminist online?&quot; </a></strong></p> <p><em>a video by <strong><a href="https://twitter.com/ClaudiaBoleyn">Claudia Boleyn </a></strong></em></p> <p><em>[closed captioned]</em></p> <p><em>**********************************************************************************************</em></p> <p>You asked, I answered. </p> <p>People have wanted me to make another feminism video for ages so I have indeed returned to my evil feminist killjoy ways for this one. </p> <p>I talk about man-hating. Also misandry.</p> <p>Yes, I went there. I really did. </p> <p>Enjoy! </p> <p>xxx</p> <p>(TW: mentions of rape threats, harassment, graphic language)</p> <p>**********************************************************************************************</p> <p><em><a href="https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC-p8Eaq7vTezQH_fCl2qegQ">My YouTube Channel</a></em></p> <p><em><a href="http://claudiaboleyn.tumblr.com/">My tumblr</a></em></p> <p><em><a href="https://twitter.com/ClaudiaBoleyn">My twitter </a></em></p> <p>**********************************************************************************************</p> </blockquote> <p class="MsoNormalCxSpFirst"><img alt="" src="https://78.media.tumblr.com/c0b53dac75974784e0f5940e553f45db/tumblr_inline_ngygqgMEYe1stevpt.png"/></p> <p class="MsoNormalCxSpFirst"><img alt="" src="https://78.media.tumblr.com/1e777a60e90ef2af195025ab033fb7d6/tumblr_inline_nfx4szqbK31stevpt.gif"/></p> <p class="MsoNormalCxSpMiddle">First allow me to say with no uncertainty that the people who send you hate and suggestive messages are disgusting. They only wish to be cruel.</p> <p class="MsoNormalCxSpMiddle">1:58. Just to clarify the point about men not being necessary, I assume you are referring to <a href="http://genetics.thetech.org/ask-a-geneticist/imprinting">recent studies</a> which suggest that DNA can be changed to allow two people of the same sex to conceive a child. This is done by altering a set of DNA so it more resembles a male set. This has been done in mice, however the results have not been extremely promising and it will be a long time before human applications can be considered.</p> <p class="MsoNormalCxSpMiddle">6:20. What anti-social justice warrior people on tumblr do is point out the <a href="http://aceattorneysforsocialjustice.tumblr.com/post/104638274643/galifreyy-you-dont-hate-sjws-you-hate">hypocrisy that SJW’s partake in</a>. When the radical people get pointed out we do not make baseless judgements on the entirety of the site. What we will do is comment on how often we are the only people correcting information and calling out these radicals.</p> <p class="MsoNormalCxSpMiddle">9:40. It is interesting to see you advocate for the challenging of information because from what I have seen you do not respond to criticism well or at all. <a href="http://claudiaboleyn.tumblr.com/post/94653989991/why-dont-you-do-a-post-about-the-best-male#notes">Even when you are criticised by women</a>. Another example from laurablues who said “I found your answer excessively aggressive. Nothing you do is your job, yet you do what you feel right. But there are certainly less aggressive ways of expressing that, especially given the tone of this ask.” Found in the notes of the post linked.</p> <p class="MsoNormalCxSpMiddle">10:30. So, you are basing the validity of a person’s argument on a physical characteristic they cannot control? How bigoted of you. <a href="http://www.avoiceformen.com/updates/evil-pandering-a-response-to-claudia-boleyn/">The video concerning the nazi comment can be found here</a>. He is responding a video of yours where you attempt to disprove misconceptions of feminism. If you actually watch the video (26th minute) He points out that the Nazis, evil bastards that they were, would have done horrible things to you. His laughter seems to be a response to your argument as opposed to actually making a joke about it. Is his laughter inappropriate? Yes absolutely, it is misplaced and it does lower the professionalism of the video however, I don’t think he was trying to be professional. Disclaimer I do not agree with everything he says in the video.</p> <p class="MsoNormalCxSpMiddle"><a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZantzARkMwM">Here is a video</a> of someone responding to one of your videos about the Santa Barbara shooting. NOTE IN THE VIDEO HE DOES USE SLURS WHICH I DO NOT AGREE WITH.  He shows his face and I don’t think he has a creepy voice, will you respond to him now? Also as he didn’t mention it I will take this opportunity to inform you about the MRM. They do in fact care about all men, the avioceformen website has stories of men’s issues from around the world including<a href="http://www.avoiceformen.com/allnews/male-fertility-control-fertility-control-male-pill/"> a new contraceptive for men being produced in Indonesia</a> and a <a href="http://www.avoiceformen.com/allnews/man-24-is-honor-killed-does-not-count-as-honor-killing-technically/">story about an Iranian man being killed</a>, something else you don’t seem to be aware of is that there are women in the MRM for example<a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eZgr6939MPU"> Karen Straughan.</a> </p> <p><span>13:20 No matter how many times you say it in a video Claudia, you can’t change the fact that feminism does hate men. </span><a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qodygTkTUYM">Attempts have been made to shut down shelters.</a> Feminists have <a href="http://www.legislature.mi.gov/documents/2011-2012/billanalysis/house/htm/2011-HLA-5328-3.HTM">fought against a paternity fraud law.</a> <span><a href="http://anescapedconviction.tumblr.com/post/82950097707/imminentdeathsyndrome-read-the-full-paper-here">Stopped men’s shelters from </a></span><a href="http://anescapedconviction.tumblr.com/post/82950097707/imminentdeathsyndrome-read-the-full-paper-here">receiving</a><span><a href="http://anescapedconviction.tumblr.com/post/82950097707/imminentdeathsyndrome-read-the-full-paper-here"> funding</a>.<a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iARHCxAMAO0">Prevented meetings about male suicide</a>. <a href="http://jjnuzz.tumblr.com/post/97906097359/your-playlist-is-perf-but-why-are-you-for">And so much more.</a> </span><span>Hatred does not solve anything Claudia, now I am 100% for hating someone who has wronged you, that type of anger is understandable. However hating all men for the actions of a minority is sexism, something you are supposed to be against.</span></p> <p class="MsoNormalCxSpMiddle">13:43. There is no patriarchy in western countries. Women can vote, have whatever job they want, run for office, own land, receive an education. <a href="http://thoughtcatalog.com/janet-bloomfield/2014/08/5-legal-rights-women-have-that-men-dont/">In fact women have more rights than men.</a></p> <p class="MsoNormalCxSpMiddle">13:54 <a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1oqyrflOQFc">Men are not paid more than women for doing the same work. The “wage gap” comes from a difference in choices. </a></p> <p class="MsoNormalCxSpMiddle">14:09. Despite the fact that women hold political positions and are<a href="http://data.worldbank.org/indicator/SP.POP.TOTL.FE.ZS"> the majority in many countries including the UK and USA</a>?</p> <p class="MsoNormalCxSpMiddle">14:15 See links for point at 13:20. There is no rape culture in the western world. There might be rape culture on Fox News sure but they also don’t believe in global warming so they’re hardly a fair standard of humanity. In fact often we live in the exact opposite of a rape culture as you describe it. There have been numerous cases of <a href="http://america.aljazeera.com/watch/shows/america-tonight/articles/2014/11/12/mothers-of-accusedcollegerapistsfightback.html">men being falsely accused</a>  <a href="http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2014/feb/06/coronation-street-actor-william-roache-acquitted">based on nothing but the testimony of others.</a> Rape cases on college campuses are set so the <a href="http://studentactivism.net/2011/07/21/preponderance-of-the-evidence/">lowest standard of evidence</a> is needed for a conviction and the defendant often as no time or ability to defend himself. <a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PJYvMXjcd9I&amp;index=1&amp;list=PLytTJqkSQqtr7BqC1Jf4nv3g2yDfu7Xmd">Recently several men were accused of rape</a> and <a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YhxYw9t_XMc">they were dealt with severely.</a> </p> <p class="MsoNormalCxSpMiddle">15:00 Misandry is no joke and to describe it as one is ignorant. See links at 13:20 again.</p> <p class="MsoNormalCxSpMiddle">17:00 Some men are, this does not mean the male gender is doing these things. You only like men if they are willing to identify with your limiting world view and some you won’t even let them have the same title as you? Why are feminists trying to separate people I thought you were for intersectionality? MRA’s don’t worry about what to call their supporters they’re too busy focusing on real problems.</p> <p class="MsoNormalCxSpMiddle"><img alt="" src="https://78.media.tumblr.com/a57fc032c3117279a7d7bc2ed826d713/tumblr_inline_ngng6z4HLy1stevpt.gif"/></p> <p class="MsoNormalCxSpMiddle">I put these points forward Claudia so you can answer them and hopefully better yourself, the question is will you take your own advice? </p> </blockquote>
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